Men Want Say in Unplanned Pregnancy!

[Japher]

How much is part of a man's salary for 18 years? Is the cost of pregnancy for women that much more vast then? And shouldn't the cost of pregnancy be something the woman has to weigh? Why drag an unwilling man into the cost/benefit analysis?

Tell me how you put a dollar value to the mental health of someone....

My lil sis lost her first child. She was married, she wanted it, she lost it and was on some crazy med for 6 months that gave her thyroid problems and an ulcer.... Yes, she wanted it, like many of the women who would be forced to give up the child if these men had their way.

Don't give me any bull**** about money being an issue in this

[Imran Siddiqui]

You act as if the woman paid nothing. If she keeps the kid, she will also be paying as well.

Duh... but she made the choice to pay for the kid, after making the choice to have sex. They were two seperate choices for her.

As for "unwilling man", right. If the man is so "unwilling", then he should

a. Wear a condom
b. Ask her if she is on the pill.

If the woman is "unwilling" she should:

a. Be on the pill
b. Ask for the guy to wear a condom

Why should she have the right to an abortion, right? She's an idiot that let her hormones overwhelm her ability to ask a simple question and take the pill.

So what exactly is that little bit above mean?

It is for the woman. Telling her you can't have an abortion, because she should have used the pill or ask if the guy was using a condom.

[Japher]

The woman "gives" her body to the man at the time of sex. She "gives" it up to him. But she has a 'say' after that (though before Roe, in most states, she didn't).

She still has his seed after the sex

he doesnt have her body

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by snoopy369

"None of these are easy questions," said Gandy, a former prosecutor. "But most courts say it's not about what he did or didn't do or what she did or didn't do. It's about the rights of the child."

That tells me all I need to know ... when it's a woman, it's "the rights of the woman" and not the rights of the child, but when it's a man, it's "the rights of the child" and not that of a man.

You are comparing fishes and tyrannosaurs rexs, or something like that. Notice how those are two distinct stages, not the same one.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Japher
Tell me how you put a dollar value to the mental health of someone....

My lil sis lost her first child. She was married, she wanted it, she lost it and was on some crazy med for 6 months that gave her thyroid problems and an ulcer.... Yes, she wanted it, like many of the women who would be forced to give up the child if these men had their way.

Don't give me any bull**** about money being an issue in this

Yeah, because money isn't a big issue or anything . Women's lives are the ONLY ones that get messed up by pregnancy, right? Hell, like you've said for men, if you don't want to mess up your mental health, use the pill, have him wear a condom. Right? If you can be that callous to men, how about women?

[GePap]

Lets compare costs here:

Adoption:

Woman- 9 months of pregnancy, including the possibilities of:
MIscarriage, other negative health effects, small but existant chance of death. Possible post-partum depression.

Man-none.

Abortion:

Woman- trauma of abortion, varying in intensity depending on the connection made to the fetus.

Man-none

Keeping the child:

Woman-9 months of pregnancy, including the possibilities of:MIscarriage, other negative health effects, small but existant chance of death. Possible post-partum depression.

18 years of salaries plus possibly 4 more years for college, or any graduate school.

men- portion of salary for 18 years.

Oh, of course, yes, you can see just how the same the position of men and women are when it comes to pregancy. YUP. Those poor bastards....Or better said, Bastard's fathers....

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Japher
She still has his seed after the sex

he doesnt have her body

And she's got a say over his seed. He doesn't have a say over her body. Women have the right to two choices. Men only have the right to one. After that, the woman owns his choice.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by GePap
Lets compare costs here:

Adoption:

Woman- 9 months of pregnancy, including the possibilities of:
MIscarriage, other negative health effects, small but existant chance of death. Possible post-partum depression.

Man-none.

Abortion:

Woman- trauma of abortion, varying in intensity depending on the connection made to the fetus.

Man-none

Keeping the child:

Woman-9 months of pregnancy, including the possibilities of:MIscarriage, other negative health effects, small but existant chance of death. Possible post-partum depression.

18 years of salaries plus possibly 4 more years for college, or any graduate school.

men- portion of salary for 18 years.

Oh, of course, yes, you can see just how the same the position of men and women are when it comes to pregancy. YUP. Those poor bastards....Or better said, Bastard's fathers....

Hey, but like you said, if you don't want to pay the costs, you shouldn't have had sex, right? You should have made sure there was protection, right?

[GePap]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
And she's got a say over his seed. He doesn't have a say over her body. Women have the right to two choices. Men only have the right to one. After that, the woman owns his choice.

Given the basic truths about biology, Men do have one place to chose. If they failt to make the choice then, well. TOO BAD.
And women DO NOT have control over his seed. The man does.

Men have a time to chose. If they fail to make the right choice, they don;t get a do over. Their time is done, and they have no moral arguement to make as to why the woman, who always bears a cost, should give a **** about them after they failed to control themselves.

Essentially you support guys who want to make sex utterly cost free for men. I simply do not support such amoral whinners.

[Japher]

Women have the right to two choices. Men only have the right to one. After that, the woman owns his choice.

A woman giving herself up to a man for a moment is not her giving herself up to the man forever

I can see how one would see the same for the reverse; a man giving himself up for a moment.......

still it is the woman who is left with the cost and the reward, a man should be aware of this

that is why we are superior

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


You are comparing fishes and tyrannosaurs rexs, or something like that. Notice how those are two distinct stages, not the same one.

She can give it up for adoption and be under zero obligation for the rest of the sprog's life.

Men do not have that choice.

[Japher]

you all under value the cost of mental health

that is sad

[notyoueither]

How about the mental health of men forced to support children they cannot afford?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Hey, but like you said, if you don't want to pay the costs, you shouldn't have had sex, right? You should have made sure there was protection, right?

Well Imran, you can see how none of this is black and white. Otherwise who needs lawyers?

For starters, contraception measures can fail.

Then we can imagine cases where the couple wants a baby intially, then the man has a change of heart. If the woman has a change of heart she could get an abortion or give up the baby for adoption. However if it is the man who has a change of heart her options are very limited.

This is just a nasty big o' can of worms.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

"I work with unwed mothers. You know just giving them their start." - Steve Martin