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  • #31
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What causes a man to kill someone he does not know?

    Originally posted by BlackCat


    That could give you some problems since most ships are built to be offensive even in defense.

    Do the submarine or bomber plane have to fire/release a bomb before you will shoot or are their intent to do it enough ?
    what do I care? I worked in engineering. . My job was to make the propeller turn.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Flubber


      If you want the analogy to be better it should be a used car versus one that has never had its engine started. The "new" one may not start, may need additional oiland may need all kinds of maintenance before running properly. The used one . . .

      err I'll stop now while I am behind


      but if the new car was built by a reputable manufacturer, then it should start right up the first time.

      But I like used cars. Sure they run a bit rough, but are ready to go 100 mph and don't need a break-in period.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Kidicious
        The better question is why don't most of us kill people we don't know.
        nah, thats easy, humans are social animals.
        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

        Steven Weinberg

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        • #34
          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What causes a man to kill someone he does not know?

          Originally posted by Dis


          what do I care? I worked in engineering. . My job was to make the propeller turn.
          Might be, but you probably would know if the increase in speed was wether the captain wanted to go waterskiing or if it was to attack - if it was the latter, would you deny to speed up until you had heard the first hit on your side ? or even worse, would you deny it until your ship was under attack ?
          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

          Steven Weinberg

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          • #35
            Originally posted by BlackCat


            nah, thats easy, humans are social animals.
            That doesn't explain why we don't kill people that we don't need.
            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Kidicious


              That doesn't explain why we don't kill people that we don't need.
              most of us are intelligent enough to recognize the value of society. Thusly, we do need everyone. Everyone fills a certain role. We would not be living in comfort with indoor plumbing if we didn't let people do their jobs and live their lives out peacefully. I shouldn't have to explain this, you know how complex society works. We could always go back to being hunter/gatherers. In that case, there is no disadvantage to killing people who offer no immediate benefit to us.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Dis




                but if the new car was built by a reputable manufacturer, then it should start right up the first time.

                But I like used cars. Sure they run a bit rough, but are ready to go 100 mph and don't need a break-in period.
                Well, why don't you use this experience in the women area ? You seem to be able to handle it if it has four wheels, why not try it with the two legged

                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                Steven Weinberg

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                • #38
                  just trying to find an automobile that will let me drive it.

                  that's it for the car references.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Kidicious


                    That doesn't explain why we don't kill people that we don't need.
                    Being a social animal doesn't in any way demand that you kill of members "not needed".
                    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                    Steven Weinberg

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by BlackCat


                      Being a social animal doesn't in any way demand that you kill of members "not needed".
                      Being a social animal means that we depend on each other for survival. That explains why we wouldn't kill those we depend on, but not those that we don't.

                      Dis,

                      Do you really think that a serial killer is dependent on those he kills? Why don't they kill people they depend on then? I'm sure some do actually, but do you get what I'm saying?
                      I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                      - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Kidicious


                        Being a social animal means that we depend on each other for survival. That explains why we wouldn't kill those we depend on, but not those that we don't.

                        Dis,

                        Do you really think that a serial killer is dependent on those he kills? Why don't they kill people they depend on then? I'm sure some do actually, but do you get what I'm saying?
                        edit: I misread your statement. You are asking why don't they kill everyone then?

                        They do kill because they are antisocial of course, and ****ed in the head. But why not kill everyone that's not needed. I think recent evidence has shown differences in brain chemistry between some criminals and normal people. Especially in the area of decision making. But it's not like they are completly incapable of intelligent decision making, it's just sometimes they can't do it. And if I knew exactly how the criminal mind worked, I'd be rich- not working my crappy job.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Kidicious


                          Being a social animal means that we depend on each other for survival. That explains why we wouldn't kill those we depend on, but not those that we don't.
                          Not really. It merely says that we only kills those that are a danger to our survival/society. Why else execute strong and healthy specimens that may have commited murder, rape etc ? In your metrics they would probably still be a benefit, but not to the society.
                          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                          Steven Weinberg

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by BlackCat


                            Not really. It merely says that we only kills those that are a danger to our survival/society. Why else execute strong and healthy specimens that may have commited murder, rape etc ? In your metrics they would probably still be a benefit, but not to the society.
                            To me you are saying that we don't kill each other because we are social animals, but that being a social animal means that we don't kill each other. Circular.
                            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                            - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Kidicious


                              To me you are saying that we don't kill each other because we are social animals, but that being a social animal means that we don't kill each other. Circular.
                              Nope, no circularity. We kills others of our species if they are a danger to society - not because they are "obsolete" as you suggest.
                              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                              Steven Weinberg

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by BlackCat


                                Nope, no circularity. We kills others of our species if they are a danger to society - not because they are "obsolete" as you suggest.
                                I'm not saying that someone might kill because someone is obsolete. I'm saying that some people kill for enjoyment, like hunting. So why don't the rest of us?
                                I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                                - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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