China Warns U.S. on Taiwan

[Barnabas]

Why does USA care about Taiwan?

Let the chinese have it

why a huge war for that?!?

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Agathon


They had a perfectly good reason. You do not leave a militarily weak state between yourself and an enemy (in this case India).

Tibet is doomed by its location.

This is the logic of imperialism.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
Why does USA care about Taiwan?

Let the chinese have it

why a huge war for that?!?

It's not really the choice of the US. If Taiwan wishes, it could return to the mainland. The US has simply promised to protect Taiwan from invasion by China. As Spiffor pointed out, in the future that protection may not be there.

[SlowwHand]

We've made ourselves available to help. Time and again though, it comes back to bite us on the ass.

"When you're up to your ass in alligators, it's easy to forget your original intent was to drain the swamp."

[Odin]

Originally posted by Agathon


They had a perfectly good reason. You do not leave a militarily weak state between yourself and an enemy (in this case India).

Tibet is doomed by its location.

What part of the term national self-determination do you not understand?

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Agathon


They had a perfectly good reason. You do not leave a militarily weak state between yourself and an enemy (in this case India).

Tibet is doomed by its location.

The US left Canada between itself and the USSR. That worked out swell!

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Sikander
Hey, those were real pretenses!

Originally posted by dannubis
woho !!!

now you are on the same moral level as china !

finally you realise !!!

They started it.

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
Why does USA care about Taiwan?

Let the chinese have it

why a huge war for that?!?

OK, where would you draw the line?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Pekka
Well Taiwan is basically the Chinese who went smart. China PRC is embarrased and they want to flex some muscles, but it's even more embarrasing as they try to fix relations with Japan. Because they really are not trying that one either. Every other day they threaten that the relations will go dry if they don't get the behaviour they want in Japan. Which they don't.

China doesn't seem to care about repairing relations with Japan, mainly because the Japanese government routinely does idiotic things that pisses off its neighbors.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Vince278
Basically my earlier point. Try this scenario: China is in a position to start it anytime it wants by going after Taiwan and encouraging NK to join in on the chaos by attacking SK and Japan.

American paranoia.

In the past 25 years, China has not attacked anyone or fought in any war. They're too busy making money and developing their economy to fight a war. Too bad Washington doesn't do the same.

[Pekka]

There's no reason not to align yourself with Taiwan, unless you're afraid to go to war, fundamentally, over good reasons, which world powers shouldn't be afraid of. I mean a big power that is overly pacifistic is almost a paradox.

Taiwan is a big exporter, while China is too, you don't want to shut down those opportunities. Taiwan being that, it does get of some pressure of China being the sole ruler of Asia. We're going with globalization and we're going hard, I told my dad, so it doesn't actually work if there's one big proxy everyone has to go through to get anything done in the whole Asia (the ruling party of China). We can't let one party, and the leadership of them to rule so strongly that nothing happens without them accepting it, being in every single decision making from business to policies in region that big.

Globalization is a tool, it can work to benefit us, or to twist the power structures into something unhealthy. It's a matter of choosing the right things. Companies, big companies are setting their corporate compliance things, and if they keep on to their ways sincerely, which necessarily isn't so, it should help to share the power through ecomonical influence to whole bunch of people. And if some of those regions can lift their economy from one dimensional export driven ways to more, there's a whole lot more business to be done in there for everyone.

There's more money, and it can provide better quality of life, that helps the opening of the society. With that, one ruling party, oppressive leadership, is more unlikely. We can say, we don't deal with you, it's not an issue. Like it or not, this is happening, if you forbid it and isolate yourself, you're going down at some point, China or not.

SO Taiwan is extremely important. And it's a real entity too, it's more of an open society and success in East Asia. It's a good thing. Why should we not align ourselves with them? China will not bring it on. They can not afford to do it. They can always go and kick Taiwan's ass, but nothing good will come out of that, they will gain 0, even if they have interests in conflict with them.

It just doesn't make sense to really destroy it, they should try to benefit from it. So it's just some rhetorics they have hard time to kick, because it would be embarrasing and admitting a sort of ... failure. They're just hardheaded, not admitting to failure. They don't want the people to question their abilities, opinions or overall strategy. Because if they do, they have even less power, and some day, that will happen, they might have to share the power or step down completely.

They're just covering their own ass.

[Pekka]

And about China trying to provoke a war via NK or someone else, again, I see that as .. extremely unlikely scenario. It could start WWIII, or at least a huge rumble in that area. Now, we all knowo, that to succesfully gain what you want by war, you don't do it in your own backyard. Unless you're ready to go all in, I mean really, all in. To do some backyard fighting, they will only mess up their own backyard and eventually could lose power in it, and it will cost so much it's just not worth it.

If they really start a rumble, there will be counter reaction, in possible nuke threat, China will get destroyed if they are alone. Yeah, they have lots of power, yeah they might go berzerk if pushed around, but consider this; who are they facing if they really threaten to blow some stuff up, nuke style? Basically they are facing everyone else. Not just their neighbours.

Who thinks Taiwan will submit and join the mainland if they threaten to just nuke it? It won't happen. China has lost Taiwan and it should accept it.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Pekka
There's no reason not to align yourself with Taiwan, unless you're afraid to go to war, fundamentally, over good reasons, which world powers shouldn't be afraid of.

Pekka, Chen is not Taiwan. I strongly recommend you to read up on the subject.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Vince278
The Dalai Lama would disagree.

The Dalai Lama probably won't tell you how many people he killed while he was ruling over Tibet.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Tingkai


American paranoia.

In the past 25 years, China has not attacked anyone or fought in any war. They're too busy making money and developing their economy to fight a war. Too bad Washington doesn't do the same.

Then why is China threatening war? 25 years too long for them?

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


The Dalai Lama probably won't tell you how many people he killed while he was ruling over Tibet.

Why do you continue to propogate this lie despite that it has been disproven each time you post it? And the person who disproved it was you afterall.