How legal Is This

[Japher]

bruning bridges is lame

I am glad to say that I am still in communications with my previous employeer.

I have seen people leave, and in their wake leave a bunch of angry people; either for the lose ends they leave or the animosity they display on their way out.

[Ming]

While most experienced people know how silly it is to burn bridges, others don't. We had one kid who burned all his bridges when he left our company to take a better paying job.

And then two years later, he had to call on our company as a salesman. Anybody want to guess how much business he got from us

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Ming

And then two years later, he had to call on our company as a salesman. Anybody want to guess how much business he got from us

I love it. I actually enjoy it when difficult, arrogant people have their own attitudes bite them in the ass

[rah]

The simple old adage, it costs nothing to be nice so anything you get back is profit.

[Flubber]

Oh and I find that the canadian legal system makes hiring easier since an employee does not have to negotiate a wrongful termination package at the outset. I know if I get turfed when not "at fault", I will get a few month's notice to tide me over--

If that wasn't the system I would HAVE to raise it at hiring.

[rah]

If you're not in a union in the US, very few jobs have contracts involved. Tose are mostly talent contracts, and senior management positions.

[Whaleboy]

And that's the whole point... Employees can move at a moment's notice, and screw their company. Nobody here seems to have a problem with that, and neither do I. But some people are whining luck stuck pigs when the shoe is on the other foot. You can't have it both ways. Fair is Fair... and that's the point I'm making.

True, that's absolutely fine. I suppose a company that recognises that a worker is most likely to be more loyal will be rewarded.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by rah
A companies reputation of how it deals with employees can be quite important for attracting the best in the workplace. Free market at it's best. There is a value to treating employees with respect. Some companies don't understand this and will suffer in the long term.

Finally, a well run company. I knew one had to exist somewhere! I salute you!

[Terra Nullius]

So why do people feel it's ok to screw a company by leaving, but that's unfair when the shoe is on the other foot

I guess that question's rhetorical?

Dunno. People getting miffed now and then isn't the issue, though, so much as - what should be the legal entitlements in each case?

While not wishing to diminish Ming's noble suffering, we are forgetting that employers have a corresponding right to up and go... taking with them the employees' superannuation, leave enititlements, and paycheque.

Sure, if they commit corporate fraud, they can be sued. But there is nothing to stop someone running a company into the ground, squandering many years' worth of entitlements, and disappearing to the Bahamas. It doesn't happen as frequently, I agree. But it certainly happens.

[-Jrabbit]

I think we can all agree that there are jerks who run companies, and jerks who work for companies.

It's sad when nice folks get screwed by the jerks.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by rah
It's only respect if an individual manager makes it that.

One company that I was forced to part with after 13 years, didn't do it right. Even though I was given a generous package, many on my staff thought i had been dissed. As a result over 75% of my former staff turned over in less than 4 months. They figured if it could happen to me, it could happen to them.

It cost the company over 10 million dollars (an estimate from one of my buds in accounting) A costly price that could have been eliminated if they had just pretended to show a bit more respect. It's not about whether it's really respect, only the perception of it.

Many of these stories ring very true. One of the people in the other lab, who had been working for the place as long as I have, and just got given his notice despite the fact they were taking on other people at the same time (under UK law, that is illegal if there were no clear grounds for dismissal), and the only thing that could be noted was that he raised an objection with his supervisor for all the unpaid overtime he was doing. Two months later, the exodus begins because people realise that there is no security there if they can be screwed at any minute.

The department can be pretty damn lousy. My hard work and skills have been acknowledged and I've even been denied moves to other projects because of how badly they need my skills. However it looks like I am going to get shafted in my annual increase just because they can - no upgrade, nothing, which I would have got with some of the projects I'd have gone on and then some, plus all the prestige. I am getting closer and closer to walking out myself. And this isn't because I am spiteful, but because I feel I am being taken for granted...so let's see...

[Sikander]

Making it hard for employers to adjust their workforce as needed eventually creates a bar to hiring. When every employee is a permanent hire or is extremely expensive to fire employers will outsource, hire temporary employees etc.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Ming


Actually... I've lost many over the years. In my speciality, the young to mid level talents are very mercenary... that's just the way my business is.

I've repeatedly been put in a bad position because somebody has left us.

Just stressing again that it's a two way street, and to be fair, the power to leave or fire should be equal... which it is.

My staff are totally mercenary, they all want your job and have an expectation to replace you. Its kind of sad but thats the way of the world.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison




The department can be pretty damn lousy. My hard work and skills have been acknowledged and I've even been denied moves to other projects because of how badly they need my skills. However it looks like I am going to get shafted in my annual increase just because they can - no upgrade, nothing, which I would have got with some of the projects I'd have gone on and then some, plus all the prestige. I am getting closer and closer to walking out myself. And this isn't because I am spiteful, but because I feel I am being taken for granted...so let's see...

If I don't earn what I think I should, I would find another opportunity and then leave. If you cannot find another opprtunity that pays what you think you should get, your expectations may be too high.

But it sounds like you are getting a mixed message -- ie "you are crucial" and "no raise for you"-- perhaps the reason you are so crucial is that you have been doing a crap job for little money that other people won't do ??

[Zkribbler]

Managers are always trying to get you to do the one thing in the world you hate the most. Your job.

...Scott Adams.