Canada's Private Clinics Surge as Public System Falters

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by MrFun
So can we Americans expect to see our Supreme Court rule someday soon, that denying a person essential health care because they can't afford it would also be a violation of human rights??

nope

Because our right to life is outweighed by insurance companies' right to make obscene profits.

[Odin]

Originally posted by notyoueither


The American system has unisured, but we have waiting lists that people suffer and sometimes die on.

Our system rations just as much as yours does, the only difference is that your system spreads out the pain evenly while ours concentrates the pain towards poor people. What's fairer? Our system basically says rich people have more right to healthcare than poor people, thats evil.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


Because our right to life is outweighed by insurance companies' right to make obscene profits.

DOH! I'm such an idiot!

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Let 'em die! Let them all DIE!! Where in the Constitution does it say you have a right to live?!

I know you were trying to be funny... but no where in the Constitution does it say you have a right to live (only due process if your life is judged to be taken away from you) .

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


I know you were trying to be funny... but no where in the Constitution does it say you have a right to live (only due process if your life is judged to be taken away from you) .

The Declaration of Independence.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I know you were trying to be funny... but no where in the Constitution does it say you have a right to live (only due process if your life is judged to be taken away from you) .

I was speaking of the Canadian Constitution. I'm sure it's in there...somewhere...

[MrFun]

Zkribbler, "right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" is in our Declaration of Independence.



I believe that document is still part of our country's organic laws??

[Zkribbler]

Imran will be along in a second to point out that the Declaration of Indepence has no legal weight.

[MrFun]

But if I recall correctly, the Declaration of Independence is still part of our country's organic laws.

I have a book on the U.S. Constitution and Declaraation of Independence here in my small library -- I will verify if I'm correct or not.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Imran will be along in a second to point out that the Declaration of Indepence has no legal weight.

Beat me too it .

Declaration of Independance was a PR document sent to other monarchs of Europe so they'd back the US or not back Britain. It has absolutely no legal weight whatsoever. Nada, none. This is shown by the fact that the US wasn't truely independant until the Treaty of Paris in 1781 (IIRC).

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by MrFun
But if I recall correctly, the Declaration of Independence is still part of our country's organic laws.

It isn't common law either. AFAIK, no Supreme Court case has been decided by refering to the Declaration of Independance.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Beat me too it .

Declaration of Independance was a PR document sent to other monarchs of Europe so they'd back the US or not back Britain. It has absolutely no legal weight whatsoever. Nada, none. This is shown by the fact that the US wasn't truely independant until the Treaty of Paris in 1781 (IIRC).

According to the author, Richard H. Cox, in his book, Four Pillars of Constitutionalism, the Declaration of Independence is one of the documents that makes up our country's organic laws. Cox is a professor emeritus of political science at State University of New York.

Now, if you can explain to me the difference between organic law and whatever type of law you're talking about, please do so.

[Zkribbler]

I don't even know what an organic law is.

Maybe he was speaking of four documents upon which this nation was founded: Declaration of Independence; Articles of Conferation; Constitution; and the Federalist Papers.

[Zkribbler]

The only one of the four which are citable in a court of law is the Constitution...which sets up our form of government and which places limitations on goverment action. Its only applicablity to individual action is the "no slavery" 13th Amendment.

Congress & state legislatures pass statutes...which are of course inforceable laws.

Then there is the common law, which is the huge body of case law which has been written interpreting the Constitution and statutes.

(There's also administrative regulations, but I won't mention them in case Berzerker's hanging around ready to pounce on me. )

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Agathon


So did all the other political and economic illiterates.

Says the guy who doesn't mind dogs getting faster care than most Canadians...

Face it. Your utopian view of unions running the system with the government paying the freight simply doesn't work very well.

Get with the 21st century.