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    Mayor suspended over 'Nazi' jibe
    24 February 2006

    London Mayor Ken Livingstone has been found guilty of bringing his office into disrepute by comparing a Jewish reporter to a Nazi concentration camp guard.

    Mr Livingstone was suspended from duty for four weeks from March 1 after being found guilty of bringing his office into disrepute.

    The three-man Adjudication Panel for England unanimously ruled that Mr Livingstone had been "unnecessarily insensitive and offensive" to Evening Standard reporter Oliver Finegold in February last year.

    David Laverick, chairman of the disciplinary panel sitting in central London, said: "His treatment of the journalist was unnecessarily insensitive and offensive. He persisted with a line of comment likening the journalist's job to a concentration camp guard, despite being told that the journalist was Jewish and found it offensive to be asked if he was a German war criminal."

    Mr Livingstone was not present at the hearing.

    Mr Laverick said: "The reasonable onlooker would regard Mr Livingstone's reputation as being damaged as a result of the exchange. The case tribunal has also concluded that the remarks have also had the effect of damaging the reputation of his office of mayor."

    Since Mr Livingstone lost the case he must pay his own costs - estimated at more than £80,000. He can appeal the decision at the High Court.

    Sir Anthony Holland, chair of the Standards Board for England, said: "The public expects all elected members to conduct themselves in a manner that is beyond reproach. It is right that the facts of this case have been aired and considered in public in this way."

    Commenting on the ruling Evening Standard editor Veronica Wadley said: "The Evening Standard has always believed that Mr Livingstone should apologise for his remarks. There is no question that he caused offence to many Londoners by his comments, and his stubborn refusal to say sorry aggravated the position."

    London Mayor Ken Livingstone later said of the tribunal result: "This decision strikes at the heart of democracy. Elected politicians should only be able to be removed by the voters or for breaking the law."

    Not knowing local laws of England, assuming there are no 'impeachment' style protocols established, then much as I think the man a twit, his point I think is real.

    OTOH it does raise the question what provisions are there for recall elections in London?
    "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

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  • #2
    Unless London metro is somehow sovereign, I think it's crock.
    Still, I don't think that censoring him is good. Please, spout off some more of your pearls, douchebag.
    urgh.NSFW

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    • #3
      to clarify

      "In a statement, the Board of Deputies of British Jews said it regretted the guilty result, but said Mr Livingstone had been "the architect of his own misfortune" by failing to recognise the upset caused.

      It added it had never sought anything more than an apology and an acknowledgement that his words were inappropriate for the "elected representative of Londoners of all faiths and beliefs". "


      apparently the adjudication panel went farther on its own. Apparently the adjucation panel, itself appointed by national govt officials, has the right under British law to punish local officeholders. Not clear to me if there have been any previous cases that didnt involve monetary corruption.
      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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      • #4
        Meh, not really that important in the scheme of things.

        It could also be noted what kind of paper the Evening Standard is - the Newspaper group it belongs to had a history of anti-Semitism and support for Fascism - although that does not excuse Ken's comments it changes the tone in which his comments were made
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        • #5
          So he did a Berlusconi. Stupid nazi comparisons.
          Blah

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lord of the mark

            "In a statement, the Board of Deputies of British Jews

            The what?

            How does one become a deputy Jew? Is it to fill in when they're busy doing other stuff?

            I want that job. It sounds easy.
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            • #7
              I'm afraid I have to back Ken on this one. It was only a mild, drunken criticism of a reporter, who obviously tried to gain as much capital out of it as possible. Hateful man and hateful newspaper.

              As you can see from Ken's 'apology', he's still pretty unrepentant about saying sorry to the reporter or the Evening Standard.

              I have been deeply affected by the concern of Jewish people in particular that my comments downplayed the horror and magnitude of the holocaust.

              I wish to say to those Londoners that my words were not intended to cause such offence and that my view remains that the holocaust against the Jews is the greatest racial crime of the 20 the century.
              Oh, and Hi by the way.
              Res ipsa loquitur

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              • #8
                The guy sounds like a doushbag but it is lame that the unelected PC crowd has removed a popularly elected official. Who hadn't really harmed anyone. he should have been allowed to run out his term and the people should have been given a chance to vote him out if they didn't like him.
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                • #9
                  "The public expects all elected members to conduct themselves in a manner that is beyond reproach

                  No I don't. I want humans to be in controll, not robots.

                  -
                  Oerdin:

                  From the article, it sounds alot worse than it actually was.
                  He was trolled/goated(?) into making the comments (which was stupid, but no more than that).
                  Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
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                  • #10
                    Doesn't the national Labour leadership, like, hate Red Ken's guts? Could that have something to do with the harsh verdict?
                    Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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                    • #11
                      Oh, and Hi by the way.


                      Good to see you around
                      urgh.NSFW

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Oerdin
                        ...
                        but it is lame that the unelected PC crowd has removed a popularly elected official.
                        Who exactly are this 'unelected P.C. crowd' ?

                        Not a description that best fits either the Board of Deputies of British Jews (who made the complaint) nor the Adjudication Panel For England.

                        He hasn't been 'removed', he's been suspended, which for a stupid insensitive remark made to a Jewish reporter in the month in which many people were remembering the dead of the Holocaust, seems about right, especially given that Mr. Livingstone could have easily remedied the situation by simply apologising.

                        I doubt very much he would have made a similar remark about Muslims in the current climate and his intransigence made the whole affair drag out unnecessarily.

                        Elected politicians, to the best of my knowledge and experience, are not given carte blanche to slander, insult or libel people, even when they've had too much to drink, without there being some kind of repercussion.

                        In English law there are in the Public Order Act two provisions under which Mr. Livingstone could possibly have been charged- so he should consider himself lucky, and not act the martyr over a wilfully stupid abusive remark .
                        Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                        ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                        • #13
                          molly
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                          • #14
                            [q=C0ckney]molly [/q]

                            Whoa teh twilight zone
                            urgh.NSFW

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                            • #15
                              well even a stopped clock is right twice a day...
                              "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

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