This gets better

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Asher
Watch UR ignore this thread now.

Of course he won't. It's not shameful, if you pretend it didn't happen.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Asher
Are you really this f*cking stupid?

You have more than sufficient warning on this, Asher.

Originally posted by Asher
That is the dialog that appears if an application crashes. It just happens to be running on Windows.

You are wrong. If it is the foreground application that crashes, it will exit and the dialog box will appear on the desktop. It does not look like the destop.

Originally posted by Asher
This is pathetic, even for you. They are running some proprietary software running on Windows, and the proprietary software crashes. Cue the ignorant masses of Linux zealots demonstrating their profound ignorance of computers, telling people it was Windows that crashed...

Shows how much you know about Windows, Asher.

[Asher]

You are wrong, UR. If a DX application crashes, it does not necessarily redraw the desktop. The window appears on top of the crashed application.

As someone who has developed DX apps myself, I've seen a similar error message many times.

If Windows crashes, the "APPLICATION Error Reporter" does not appear. Period.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Again. Please just go away.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You are wrong.

No, he's right. This box would never show up if Windows itself crashed. It's an application crash.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
Well, I guess it gets better, in as much as kicking a retarded, quadruple-amputee, cleft-lip baby with spina bifida, TB, leprosy, and AIDS while it's down with a arsenic-laced hatchet through its head gets better.

Heck, not even Agathon is this pitiful with his trolls. This is approaching, nay, passes MNG's level with his postgasms over the tiniest Mac version frotteurist's bump.

You know what is funny? HA HA HA America.

You surely bit very hard for a pathetic troll.

[Asher]

Now if you want to see an OS crash, here's an example of Linux crashing on a terminal for pre-programmed mobiles in Germany.



That is an OS crash. A BSOD is an OS crash.

The above Times Square image is an Application crash.
This is an Application crash under Linux.



If you had any idea how Windows worked, or operating systems in general, this should be obvious. What is obvious to me is how little you actually understand about computers. You claim to have some kind of degree, but I wonder if it's a mail-order degree...

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Asher
You are wrong, UR. If a DX application crashes, it does not necessarily redraw the desktop. The window appears on top of the crashed application.

The only times that will happen is when DX borks up.

Originally posted by Asher
As someone who has developed DX apps myself, I've seen a similar error message many times.

Next thing you will tell us is you have been to the moon or something.

Originally posted by Asher
If Windows crashes, the "APPLICATION Error Reporter" does not appear. Period.

Isn't DX an application running on top of Windows? Or Windows is really just a monolithic OS, contrary to your assertions?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
The only times that will happen is when DX borks up.

Umm...no? What exactly do you base this assertion on? Because it's completely incorrect.

Next thing you will tell us is you have been to the moon or something.

Developing DX apps is not even close to "being to the moon". You may find both to be of the same difficulty, but DX development is simple and straight forward. A number of years ago I bought "Special Effects Programming in DirectX" and worked through it, developing DX apps using pixel/vertex shaders (v1.1) out of my own interest.

Isn't DX an application running on top of Windows? Or Windows is really just a monolithic OS, contrary to your assertions?

DX isn't an "application", per se, it's what is called a HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer), coupled with an API (Application Programming Interface). It runs in ring0 for performance reasons.

The very simple thing you need to realize is that dialog box is the application crash error reporter. If Windows crashed -- by definition -- it would not have the ability to draw that window and then send feedback over the internet...

[Imran Siddiqui]

UR can't be this dense... can he?

[Richelieu]

Nah. He's fake-trolling his way out.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Asher
Now if you want to see an OS crash, here's an example of Linux crashing on a terminal for pre-programmed mobiles in Germany.

That does not appear to be a kernel panic to me.

Originally posted by Asher
That is an OS crash. A BSOD is an OS crash.

A BSOD is what happens when the kernel crashes. An OS is more than the kernel. You should know that

Originally posted by Asher
If you had any idea how Windows worked, or operating systems in general, this should be obvious.

Yes, it indeed is very obvious.

Originally posted by Asher
What is obvious to me is how little you actually understand about computers. You claim to have some kind of degree, but I wonder if it's a mail-order degree...

Snooze. A person who has a Computer Science degree does not necessary know much about Windows. A CS degree is not "Windows study." If you survey the CS reseachers most don't know much about Windows and a significant percentage does not work with Windows. If you ask Andrew Tanenbaum or Brian Kernighan about the "Application Error Reporter" they will look at you funny.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Richelieu
Nah. He's fake-trolling his way out.

Ah, I see it now... never admit you are wrong, fake-troll for a while, and then claim you never believed it in the first place.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
A BSOD is what happens when the kernel crashes. An OS is more than the kernel. You should know that

Again, you are wrong. a BSOD happens when a kernel crashes or any program running in ring0 crashes, as it is unrecoverable. This includes items outside of the kernel, such as device drivers and DirectX runtimes.

Snooze. A person who has a Computer Science degree does not necessary know much about Windows. A CS degree is not "Windows study." If you survey the CS reseachers most don't know much about Windows and a significant percentage does not work with Windows. If you ask Andrew Tanenbaum or Brian Kernighan about the "Application Error Reporter" they will look at you funny.

It's funny you mentioned that, I used Tanenbaum's book as the basis of one of my Operating System's course. The highlight of that book, of course, is him criticizing the Linux kernel design from the fundamentals to the details.

This was a proprietary piece of software crashing. It is in no way part of the operating system, whatsoever.

You're now changing your argument to assume whenever a piece of software included with Windows crashes, Windows crashes. The fact is, if the Operating System is still functional and running, it has not crashed.

That is not only elementary stuff I'm sure most non-CS people understand, it's something that should be downright intuitive. Windows did not crash in this screenshot, if it did, it would not be able to draw new windows and transmit network data, etc.

You are totally and completely wrong, over and over, and you have never once conceded. You are either completely naive, dense, and stubborn, or too arrogant to admit you're wrong and too stupid to keep your mouth shut. You have shown yourself to not have any clue to how modern computers work, or how the businesses and economies work around computers, but you seem to think you do. Have you ever been on the winning side of a computer argument?

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


You surely bit very hard for a pathetic troll.

Dude, I didn't bite on that troll. I simply said that it was a) not funny, b) doesn't get better, and c) was a complete waste of my time.

The fact that I used more colourful language does not mean I "bit" it at all.

[binTravkin]

UR, it does not take degree to understand this:

If Windows crashes, the "APPLICATION Error Reporter" does not appear. Period.

It takes to understand what an OS actually is.
Apparently you don't..

Windows crash is either freeze or blue screen of death, sometimes simply reboot, not any dialog window.
If a dialog window appears, something must've made it possible for it to show and even diagnose an error in the first place.
That something is OS, which is Windows in particular case.

EDIT: So actually one could discuss how stable windows is because it survives so many such programmatic crushes and mostly sucessfully diagnoses the source of the fault and offers way to resolve the problem.

Someone should run a test on Mac OS X if it can survive several client software crashes per day and still work.
I remember my co-worker, a designer, he had a problem with Adobe Photoshop CS and whenever it crushed upon him, the famous Mac 'Black Screen of Death' appeared thus effectively rebooting the machine.
He couldn't even do anything to save other program status, whereas in Windows one can in most cases (unless the crash is really serious or your PC had problems before that crash).