Toyota fan club

[Spec]

Originally posted by Oerdin


You ignorant dumb ass. It is very clear you know nothing about cars. Chevette.

You are right, I know absolutly nothing about cars...I pretend to do so because its so cool.

Spec.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
Does toyota make motorcycles and scooters?

I just visited their website... Nope
Cars, trucks, SUVs, vans and hybrids.

[Dinner]

Chevettes were hands down one of the worst cars ever designed including the eastern block and the crap currently being shuffled in China, and countries such as Iran. Total garbage.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


I just visited their website... Nope
Cars, trucks, SUVs, vans and hybrids.

Honda and Suzuiki are the only Japanese automakers who also produce motorcycles. There are other Japanese bike makers but not ones which also produce bikes. By and large it has been rare in history for car makers to also make bikes. BMW and Truimph are the only two other makers I can think of though I know Lotus flirted with the idea.

[Barnabas]

Oerdin, what is a good motorcycle that I can use to go to the office, and also to travel say 300 km to another city for vacations?

Nothing menacing looking like Harley-Davidson, but better than pizza delivery guy.

[Zkribbler]

What not a Harley?? Roar in an a black leather jacket, black leather gloves, and motorcycle boots. Nobody will ever leave you off the memo list again.

[Dinner]

It depends on what you like. The European bikes tend to break into two catagories 1) fancy, expensive, and fragil (think Triumph and Ducati) or 2) boring, expensive, and average (think BMW). The Americans mostly make cruisers a la Harley and Indian with the odd second rate sport bike like Buell. So that just leaves Asian bike makers. The Chinese offer dirt cheap but extremely low quality bikes, the Koreans offer well engineered & reasonablely priced bikes which use older technology instead of cutting edge, and the Japanese dominate the high tech & high quality nitch while their prices tend to fall lower then the high end Euros but above everyone else. Unless I was looking for a cruiser or a super high performance bike then I'd go with one of the Japanese big four because they're currently the only ones offering new technology, decent (if slightly high prices), and good quality*.

*In a noncruiser per your specifications.

[Barnabas]

thanks,

I will try Honda

[Asher]

I just spent four days driving a Buick (2005 Allure). What a piece. Good God.

It's valued at more than my Mazda 3, but the difference in driving was unreal...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Why did you go do that?

[Dinner]

Aimed at a different market with a different design philosphy. We're talking quality here instead of choices made by the design team. Quality wise the Buick will probably be cruising along after you Mazda has been given to the scrap yard due to electrical problems.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Why did you go do that?

I had a choice between a Buick Allure and a Pontiac Bonneville...both are just mind-numbingly terrible vehicles.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Aimed at a different market with a different design philosphy. We're talking quality here instead of choices made by the design team. Quality wise the Buick will probably be cruising along after you Mazda has been given to the scrap yard due to electrical problems.

You have to be kidding me.

Buicks are **** for longterm reliability...the car I was in was a 2005 and the engine was already acting up (when idling the car would randomly shake rather violently), the transmission was sloppy at best, the right-rear speaker crackled madly (like someone playing with tin foil, actually) so I had to change the fade to only play out of the front speakers, etc.

It has all of 28,000 kilometers on it and it's already shaky. The alignment was also way off (the wheel had to be rotated ~50 degrees to the left for the car to drive straight, which I'm willing to blame on some idiot curbing the car).

[Asher]

Then there's just the driving.

"Floaty" doesn't begin to describe it. When I first drove it I was driving ~120 km/h down the 401 in heavy winds. I felt like I was going to die, I had to slow down. When the wind blew the car sorta rolled side to side long after. Cornering was just scary, I felt like it was going to bottom out on the sides. The "traction control" in snow was downright pathetic, the ABS was noisy as hell and not very effective. I really think it's stupid how the reverse lights turn on for ~30s after you park the car, I really htink it's stupid that rather randomly the radio would stay on after the car turned off.

There are other really stupid design decisions: example: by default traction control is on, but the button face is just "T/C" which, to me, implies the button would turn on traction control. But it turns it off...

The stereo system was also just absolutely terrible. The bass was way too loud, I couldn't even understand DJs. I assumed some assclown before me cranked up the bass, but it was +0! I turned it down to -6 and it sounded normal...

It is so obvious to me that so little thought went into the design of this car. Something I think is rampant amongst American cars.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Asher

I had a choice between a Buick Allure and a Pontiac Bonneville...both are just mind-numbingly terrible vehicles.

Personally, I would have gone with the Pontiac. I despise Buicks.