A look from other side

[binTravkin]

I apologise if this has already been posted.

(..)it is strictly forbidden for Muslims to harm enemy civilians, no matter how desperate the struggle. It is also forbidden for a Muslim to commit suicide under any circumstances - with no exceptions. (..)

Mohammed Sayyed Tantawi, the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University, has stated, "The aggressors who blow up themselves, their cars and bombs against innocent men, women and children will not be given any mercy by God and His angels." (CNEWS 2005)
He has added that those who killed dozens of innocents, "have no justification," and if they claim they are obeying orders of Islam, "then they are liars, liars and charlatans, and Islam disavows them," he said.

Shaykh Abd al-Aziz, Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, has stated that, "What you call suicide bombings in my view are illegitimate and have nothing to do with jihad in the cause of God. I am afraid it is another form of killing oneself." (Washington Inst. 2001)

Finally, it might be asked on what authority a western scientist may write so confidently about the nature of Islam. The author has been a muslim for over 35 years, has studied it closely, has traveled extensively in Muslim lands, and has met over his lifetime literally thousands of Muslims of every race and from almost every country. At no time, in his many conversations with fellow Muslims, has he ever heard any Muslim sing the praises of Osama bin Laden.

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A 'suicide bomber' in a week!
Exporting HollyWood

EDIT:
Do it yourself - a 10 step introductionary guide on terrorism.

[binTravkin]

Brilliant!
This thread is a living example how ignorant people are to anything that is not broadcasted 'truth'!

[lord of the mark]

Unfortunately its more complex.

Heres some items on the reaction to the statement of the Saudi Grand Mufti

"On April 21, the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia, Shaykh Abd al-Aziz bin Abdallah Aal al-Shaykh, said that Islam forbids suicide terrorist attacks. This has raised a storm of criticism from supporters of the Palestinian intifada against Israel. However, the mufti may have been thinking more about Osama bin Laden than recent Palestinian actions.

Background
Shaykh Abd al-Aziz is head of the Saudi commission of senior Islamic scholars and the supreme Islamic authority in the kingdom. In an interview with the London-based and Saudi-owned newspaperal-Sharq al-Awsat, Shaykh Abd al-Aziz was asked for his view on several issues related to contemporary Islamist terrorism, such as the hijacking of airplanes, terrorism against security personnel, and suicide operations. In regard to the latter, he answered categorically: "What you call suicide bombings in my view are illegitimate and have nothing to do with jihad in the cause of God. I am afraid it is another form of killing oneself."


"In 2000, the phenomenon of suicide bombings expanded to two other areas of Islamic struggle — Chechnya and Kashmir. In both cases, especially in regard to the Chechen rebels of Arab and Afghan origin and the Kashmiri Islamist organizations of Lashkar-I-Taiba and Hizb-I-Mujahidin, they accompanied their operations with necessary rulings. The expansion of suicide operations to other parts of the Muslim world could be a source of anxiety to other regimes in the Middle East and Asia.

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Reactions to the Fatwa
During the past week, there have been many articles and statements in reaction to the Saudi fatwa. The main theme of these articles has been the appropriateness of suicide operations against Israel. The general argument of various Islamist groups or individuals has been that l means are legitimate to fight the Jews," as argued by Shaykh Sayyid Wafa, secretary-general of the Islamic research center of al-Azhar in Egypt. Shaykh al-Azhar Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, the highest Islamic authority in Egypt (appointed by the Egyptian government), not only supported these suicide operations but also viewed them as an Islamic duty. His colleague Shaykh Ali Abu al-Hasan, chairman of the committee of rulings in al-Azhar, stated, "fighting the enemy with any kind of defense is a duty." He called the Palestinians to "go on hitting Jewish targets and bring an earthquake under the feet of the traitors, the people of the virus state."

Reactions have come from secular Arab circles as well. In an editorial in his newspaper on April 24, Ahmad al-Houny, editor of the London-based al-Arab, called the Saudi grand mufti's statement "the American fatwa." The main theme of secular reactions was that s fatwa was delivered under American pressurein order to stop the Palestinian uprising and armed resistance that has stood in the way of negotiations. The London based al-Quds al-Arabi wrote in its editorial the same day, under the title "Strange Fatwas from Governments' Ulama," that "the real scholars are those who issue fatwas condemning Arab official lassitude and failure to come to the support of those steadfast in defense and ready to sacrifice their blood for al-Aqsa."

Conclusion
It is not clear why the Saudi grand mufti condemned suicide operations. He may well have acted primarily on the basis of Saudi fear of Osama Bin Laden and his colleagues. The suicide operation against the USS Cole in Aden and the hijacking of a Russian plane from Turkey to Saudi Arabia earlier this month may have been what precipitated the mufti's statements. There is no evidence he was thinking primarily about Palestinian suicide bombings. The same Saudi-owned newspaper that ran the interview with Shaykh Abd al-Aziz (al-Sharq al-Awsat) has strongly supported the suicide operations of Hamas, calling them the only way "to convince [Ariel] Sharon" in its editorial of March 5. In the absence of additional evidence, it would be inappropriate to see the Saudi grand mufti's fatwa as a sign of lessened support for anti-Israel terrorism.

[binTravkin]

Like other Abrahamic religions, Islam views suicide strictly as sinful and detrimental to ones spiritual journey. However, human beings are said to be liable to committing mistakes, thus, Allah (God) forgives the sins and wipes them out if the individual is truly sincere in repentance, true to the causes and determined in intention.

For those who believed, but eventually disbelieved in God in the end, the result seems unambiguously negative. In the Qur'an, the holy book for Muslims, although Allah (God) is said to be 'the Most Merciful, the Most Kind' and forgives all sins, the great sin of unbelief is deemed unforgivable. According to the Sunnah (life and way of the Prophet Muhammad), any person who dies by suicide and shows no regret for his wrongdoing will spend an eternity in hell, re-enacting the act by which he took his own life. Some Islamic jurists hold the interpretation that hell is not eternal but indefinite and only remains to exist while the earth endures at its present state. Once the Day of Recompense passes, Hell will eventually be emptied.

Despite this, a small minority of Muslim scholars take the view that actions committed in the course of jihad where one's own death is assured (e.g. suicide bombing) are not considered suicide. Such acts are instead considered a form of martyrdom. There is Quranic evidence to the contrary, stating those involved in the killing of the innocent are wrongdoers and transgressors. Nevertheless, many claim Islam does permit the use of suicide - though only against the unjust and oppressors - if one feels there is absolutely no other option available and life otherwise would end in death.

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..not even talking that leaving your Quran is a great sin.

Talk about fundamentalists..
What fundament are they basing their views upon then?

Quran is the unquestionable fundament of Islam, therefore any so called 'suicide bomber' could never be called fundamentalist.
Furthermore, doing a suicide and taking innocent lives or even innocent muslim lives with oneself is a combination of unforgivable sins, and to consider them not would be a heresy for true fundamentalist.