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    Thursday, February 16, 2006
    Red Sox owner Henry critical of revenue sharing

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    Associated Press

    BOSTON -- Major League Baseball's current revenue-sharing system, even while bettering the game, is too burdensome on the wealthiest clubs which are substantially subsidizing some of their opponents, according to Boston Red Sox principal owner John Henry.

    Team ownership must bring in roughly $2 on every $1 invested in order to break even, Henry was quoted as saying in Thursday's editions of the Boston Herald. The Herald said his comments came in an exchange of e-mails with the newspaper over the past week.

    "Baseball has to address the disincentives created by large-scale transfers of revenue from successful clubs to less successful clubs," Henry said. "At high enough tax levels, the incentive is to invest somewhere other than in baseball."

    He said the disincentives are just as powerful for lower-revenue clubs as for the higher-revenue clubs.

    "The Red Sox have taken an aggressive stance in investing in all aspects of the franchise," he said. "But one has to wonder how many teams will do so when the financial risks often outweigh the potential financial benefits."

    About $50 million to $60 million of the Red Sox money is flowing per year to less successful clubs, Henry said.

    "The commissioner and the union have radically altered the game of baseball for the better over the last few years by transferring enormous amounts of dollars," he said. "But as with all taxes, there is a point at which taxation discourages effort and investment to the point that baseball clubs one by one come to the same, unfortunate conclusion."

    Boston sells out every game and has been aggressively expanding Fenway Park. Henry leads the investment group that bought the Red Sox and the New England Sports Network cable television station from the Yawkey Trust four years ago for $660 million.

    "The Red Sox have lost money and NESN has made money," Henry said. "The continuing investments in Fenway Park help revenues but are not cheap. It is not a coincidence that the teams paying a lot of money in revenue sharing are investing substantial sums in ballparks because that is the only deduction available."

    Henry said commissioner Bud Selig has done a good job in reducing the debt ratio allowed by individual clubs.

    "[Selig] may have, in fact, saved the industry from itself by acting to limit debt," Henry said.

    Most teams have large and growing debts, Henry said. He said he knew some owners who have lost more than $100 million over the last 10 years. In his three years as owner of the Florida Marlins, he said he lost about $50 million.
    Heh. Welcome to the Dark Side (tm). They have become that which they supposedly hate (see: Red Sox owners calling the Yankees the "Evil Empire" because the Yanks outbid them for a player). Whining about revenue sharing. Only the evil Yankees do that, 'cause, like, they're bad and stuff!

    -Arrian
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  • #2
    If the Red Sox need money, they can always sell one of their best players to the Yankees. Oh wait, they did that back in the 20's, didn't they?

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    • #3
      I don't even understand the argument. Revenue sharing is such a burden that it may prevent a handful of teams from not caring how much money they spend on players? Isn't that the whole point?
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      • #4
        JOHN HENRY JOHN HENRY, MY NAME IS JOHN HENRY
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sava
          JOHN HENRY JOHN HENRY, MY NAME IS JOHN HENRY
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kontiki
            I don't even understand the argument. Revenue sharing is such a burden that it may prevent a handful of teams from not caring how much money they spend on players? Isn't that the whole point?
            Arguing that revenue sharing (in general) is bad for the game is just silly. I'm a Yankee fan and I agree there should be revenue sharing.

            In the specific, I could see some reasons to criticise (there really ought to be a way to remove owners who do nothing to improve their teams over long periods of time).

            However, if you read carefully, he's basically saying that revenue sharing is ok, but just don't share too much (basically the rich liberal's approach ).

            -Arrian
            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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            • #7
              Boston Red Sox 2005 Salaries
              PLAYER SALARY (US$)
              1. Manny Ramirez 19,806,820
              2. Curt Schilling 14,500,000
              3. Jason Varitek 8,000,000
              4. Trot Nixon 7,500,000
              5. Keith Foulke 7,500,000
              6. Mike Lowell 7,500,000
              7. Matt Clement 6,500,000
              8. David Ortiz 5,250,000
              9. Tim Wakefield 4,670,000
              10. David Wells 4,075,000
              11. Alex Gonzalez 3,400,000
              12. Mike Timlin 2,750,000
              13. Mark Loretta 2,750,000
              14. Julian Tavarez 2,600,000
              15. Josh Beckett 2,400,000
              16. J.T. Snow 2,000,000
              17. Bronson Arroyo 1,850,000
              18. David Riske 1,425,000
              19. Alex Cora 1,300,000
              20. Tony Graffanino 1,100,000
              21. John Flaherty 800,000
              22. Rudy Seanez 550,000
              23. Coco Crisp 364,900
              24. Kevin Youkilis 323,125
              25. Josh Bard 317,900
              26. Adam Stern 316,000
              Total Team Salary: 121,311,945
              Maybe they could make some money if they didn't over pay some worthless players
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              • #8
                2. Curt Schilling 14,500,000
                4. Trot Nixon 7,500,000









                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #9
                  Schilling is worth that much simply for getting the Red Sox a WS. Without him, they don't win it... so I'm sure they'll trade overpaying him for a few years for that.
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                  • #10
                    Whine, whine, *****, *****.

                    Deal with it, ya scumbag. Ya don't hear Steinbrenner complaining, now do ya?
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                    • #11
                      I'll tell you how to get rid of owners who dont care - youn get rid of this socialistic american sports system thats crap, and move to the european soccer system with several divisions, with promotions and relegations. Look how quickly owners will want to spend money to keep their team in the top division.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by reismark
                        Whine, whine, *****, *****.

                        Deal with it, ya scumbag. Ya don't hear Steinbrenner complaining, now do ya?


                        Um... yes you do. He complains every year about the luxury tax!
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                        • #13
                          You don't hear him saying to get rid of revenue sharing though, do ya?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by reismark
                            You don't hear him saying to get rid of revenue sharing though, do ya?


                            YES... all the damned time! (unless you were being sarcastic)
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • #15
                              Surely they have a point with investment though. If all the money they make is shared out among all the clubs, there's no incentive for them to invest to make more money. This is true of all clubs, as all clubs have no incentive to make money.
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