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    U.N.: Guantanamo detainees should be freed or tried

    Report authors didn't accept invitation to visit facility

    Thursday, February 16, 2006; Posted: 1:15 p.m. EST (18:15 GMT)

    UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- The U.S. government should release all suspected terrorists it's holding at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, or try them, the United Nations said Thursday.

    Although the authors of the U.N. report declined to visit the military facility to gather information, they did base some of their conclusions on interviews with former detainees and attorneys. The United States has designated detainees as enemy combatants.

    The 54-page report also recommends closing the jail "without further delay." (Watch clips of dramatic new film about Gitmo detainees -- 2:23)

    As of last October, about 520 people were being detained at Guantanamo, said the report from U.N. Commission on Human Rights, based in Geneva, Switzerland.

    It singled out "all special interrogation techniques authorized by the Department of Defense," urging they be revoked immediately.

    And it called for the U.S. government not to send detainees to countries where there are "substantial grounds for believing" they might be tortured, a process called extraordinary rendition.

    White House spokesman Scott McClellan dismissed the report.

    "The U.N. team that was looking into this issue did not even visit Guantanamo Bay," McClellan said.

    "I think that what we are seeing is a rehash of allegations that have been made by lawyers representing some of these detainees. We know that these are dangerous terrorists that are being kept at Guantanamo Bay. They are people that are determined to harm innocent civilians or harm innocent Americans. They were enemy combatants picked up on the battlefield in the war on terrorism."

    The report said every detainee must be given the right to complain about his treatment and have any complaints dealt with "promptly and, if requested, confidentially."

    And any allegations of "torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" must be investigated by an independent authority and those involved -- "up to the highest level of military and political command" -- must be brought to justice, the report said.

    Those victims of torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment should be compensated by the U.S. government, it continued.

    Further, people who work in the camp's detention facilities should be trained to respect human-rights standards for the treatment of prisoners, including their right to freedom of religion, the report said.

    Also, authorities must not be allowed to force-feed "any detainee who is capable of forming a rational judgment and is aware of the consequences of refusing food," the report said.
    Detainee access denied

    In response, Ambassador Kevin Edward Moley, permanent representative of the United States to the United Nations in Geneva, said it was "particularly unfortunate" that the report's authors had rejected an invitation to visit the facility "and that their unedited report does not reflect the direct, personal knowledge that this visit would have provided."

    But the report's authors said they declined the invitation because it stipulated they would not have been allowed to interview the detainees privately.

    State Department legal adviser John Bellinger said the International Committee for the Red Cross is at the Guantanamo facility and "they are the ones who are the appropriate ones to talk to the detainees."

    The ICRC, however, is barred from speaking publicly about conditions they find in detention facilities.

    The report was based on interviews with former detainees, lawyers, public documents, media reports and a questionnaire filled out by the U.S. government, prompting Bellinger to argue that the United Nations had received only one side of the story.

    But Manfred Nowak, one of the report's authors, said that accepting restrictions such as the ones imposed by the United States was not something that would be done for any other country.

    "I can't go to a country and only speak to the prison officials and be denied the opportunity to speak to the detainees," Nowak said. "We are serious, objective, independent fact-finders. We would undermine the U.N.'s fact-finding capacities if we were to accept an invitation that we are not accepting from any other state in the world."
    Interrogation techniques

    The report said interrogation techniques at the facility authorized by the Department of Defense, "particularly if used simultaneously, amount to degrading treatment in violation of ... the Convention against Torture."

    For example, indefinite periods of detention and prolonged solitary confinement amount to torture, the report said.

    And it noted a "profound deterioration" in the mental health of many being held on the island. In 2003, more than 350 acts of self-harm were reported, along with individual and mass suicide attempts and hunger strikes, it said.
    Health professionals criticized

    It singled out health professionals for criticism, noting that some appear to have been "complicit in abusive treatment of detainees detrimental to their health."

    It added that some interrogation techniques "are aimed at offending the religious feelings of detainees," a conclusion it deemed "of particular concern."

    "The war on terror, as such, does not constitute an armed conflict for the purposes of the applicability of international humanitarian law," it said.

    Anyone held on Guantanamo should be able to challenge the legality of their detention before a judicial body and to be released if the legal basis for their continued detention is found lacking, the report said.

    "This right is currently being violated," it added.

    "The executive branch of the United States government operates as judge, prosecutor and defense counsel of the Guantanamo Bay detainees."
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  • #2
    nah, just as evil as the bush administration so evil+evil=good so what are you complaining about again?
    if you want to stop terrorism; stop participating in it

    ''Oh,Commissar,if we could put the potatoes in one pile,they would reach the foot of God''.But,replied the commissar,''This is the Soviet Union.There is no God''.''Thats all right'' said the worker,''There are no potatoes''

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    • #3
      And it noted a "profound deterioration" in the mental health of many being held on the island. In 2003, more than 350 acts of self-harm were reported, along with individual and mass suicide attempts and hunger strikes, it said.
      Mass suicide attempts?? That is disturbing.

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      • #4
        The U.S. government should release all suspected terrorists it's holding at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, or try them, the United Nations said Thursday.
        I'd like serious investigations into who was or was not fighting us and who was actually involved with Al Qaeda and the innocent released asap, but you dont try the enemy untill the war is over. That creates a problem, this war wont be over for a long time because we aren't leaving the ME. If we leave the war will end in a few years or less. So most of those guys will be spending alot of time down there.

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        • #5
          ... I thought you were for the US Constitution, Berz. Does it not say there is a right to a speedy trial? Nothing in the Constitution says those rights only apply to citizens (otherwise, foriegn visitors would be subject to a bevy of horrid treatment).

          I agree with the UN and Scalia's dissent in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld. Try them or let them go.
          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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          • #6
            but you dont try the enemy untill the war is over.


            Errr, there is no war, is there? (officially).

            I agree with the UN and Scalia's dissent in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld. Try them or let them go.


            Lead by example, not by lowering yourself to the bad guy's level.
            Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
            Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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            • #7
              ... I thought you were for the US Constitution, Berz. Does it not say there is a right to a speedy trial? Nothing in the Constitution says those rights only apply to citizens (otherwise, foriegn visitors would be subject to a bevy of horrid treatment).

              I agree with the UN and Scalia's dissent in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld. Try them or let them go.
              The Constitution allows Congress to suspend habeas corpus under certain circumstances, a war with people who sneak in to launch attacks qualifies.

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              • #8
                Congress is running Gitmo? Heavens... I thought this was about the executive branch denying process!

                And as the article says:

                "The war on terror, as such, does not constitute an armed conflict for the purposes of the applicability of international humanitarian law," it said.
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #9
                  Errr, there is no war, is there? (officially).
                  Yes, officially...

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                  • #10
                    And Berz, as you know, the Constitution says:

                    The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.


                    Rebellion? Invasion? Where?!
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • #11
                      Congress is running Gitmo? Heavens... I thought this was about the executive branch denying process!
                      Congress pays for Gitmo and the war, and Congress has never treated POWs as citizens wrt due process. If Congress wants to enforce habeas corpus for POWs it can, it just never has.

                      And as the article says:

                      quote:
                      "The war on terror, as such, does not constitute an armed conflict for the purposes of the applicability of international humanitarian law," it said.
                      The UN doesn't run Gitmo or this country.

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                      • #12
                        Rebellion? Invasion? Where?!
                        9/11 was quite invasive enough

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                        • #13
                          Also, authorities must not be allowed to force-feed "any detainee who is capable of forming a rational judgment and is aware of the consequences of refusing food," the report said.
                          I'm inclined to ask why someone would bother feeding someone on a hunger strike. They'll either give up and eat or thier own or die. Why would one choose to inject himself into that equation?
                          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Berzerker
                            9/11 was quite invasive enough
                            OMG! INVASION by Al Queda!! Run for the hills! Barracade yourself!! It's an INVASION people!! We must counter by.... sending our troops to Iraq!

                            Your standards for invasion are pretty low, Berz. You are willing to throw our rights under the bus for anything, aren't you? Some defender of Constitutional rights you turned out to be .

                            The UN doesn't run Gitmo or this country.


                            The point is that they, like most Americans, don't consider the "War on Terror" to be a real war. It's as nebulous as the "War on Drugs".

                            Wait until the 'war' is over? Hell, that'll be never! Great... keep them forever... without determining if they are guilty of anything! The great rights defender shows himself!
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DinoDoc
                              Also, authorities must not be allowed to force-feed "any detainee who is capable of forming a rational judgment and is aware of the consequences of refusing food," the report said.
                              I'm inclined to ask why someone would bother feeding someone on a hunger strike. They'll either give up and eat or thier own or die. Why would one choose to inject himself into that equation?
                              I think it is to prevent the person from being a martyr. But in this case, the US really doesn't give a damn (at least this administration doesn't), so I don't get it either.
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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