Pakistan cartoon protesters riot, burn KFC

[Dauphin]

No one thinks about how to riot, loot and pillage responsibly these days.


I'm amazed people expect to find a valid link between the target of a riot and the cause of a riot. I remember pointing out before that the anti-capitalism protestors sacked a major John Lewis department store. John Lewis being a co-operative with all profits given to employees as bonuses.

[Dinner]

This has nothing to do with cartoons and has everything to do with radicals who want power and who think agitating with this propaganda will get them that.

[SlowwHand]

No matter where it happens, no matter what it's over, have you noticed rioters and looters tear up their own neighborhood?
I don't know. To me, it would have made more sense for Watts to go burn down Bel Air, for instance.

[Pekka]

Oerdin, it's amazing how many people do not realize this.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by aneeshm


The only thing the top ten google results brought up for "McDonalds Hindu arson" was some people in India throwing cowdung at McDonalds for fraud . The problem was that McDonalds advertised their French Fries as vegetarian , but in actuality used animal and cow fat to fry them . Then a lawsuit was launched against them . They settled for 10 million dollars . The lawsuit was over the fraud involved , not the fact that they offered such foods . Nobody wants to dictate to other what to eat . But everyone wants to know that it is they are eating .

If you had looke a little closer at the "mcspotlight" webpage you also would have seen referrences to a store having been ransacked by a mob on April 9 2001. The lawsuit in question involved stores in the United States. In November 0f 2001 the government of India certified that McDonalds in India had not used the beef flavoring on its fries. The hilarious thing is that in 2000 McDonalds had announced throughout the US that it was adding new flavoring to its fries. They ran a big add campaign about it. That the flavoring was beef was no surprise at all.

The "mcspotlight" webpage is by no means comprehensive. It is produced by McDonalds Corp. itself. While they have not hidden varoius legal difficulties and conflicts with protest groups they do not list on this page incidents which resulted in deatha and serious injuries. They left out any mention of the bombings of stores in Indonesia and India by Islamic extremists. I found on one page on the web a list of major violent incidents in Inda over the past 5 years. There was mention of a riot involving a Mcdonalds store in December 2002, but no details were offrered other than there having been 25 people injured but no fatalities.

[mitch]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Well, the protests (in Pakinstan) have finally turned deadly. An 8-yr-old died after being struck in the face by a bullet - fired by a protestor - and a 25 yr old man was electrocuted by a live powerline that was felled by ... wait for it ... gunfire from a protestor.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060215/ap_on_re_as/prophet_drawings

At this point, I couldn't care less. In fact, I hope more protestors die at the hands of their fellow protestors. The imams that made hay out of these months-old cartoons for no other reason than to stir anti-West sentiments should then be held responsible for these deaths.

Yes, lets both hope that more 8 year olds die to we can teach those bloody imams a lesson.

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
No, mitch is a racist. I'm a Darwinist. These protestors have gone beyond stupid, so I encourage them to voluntarily remove themselves from the gene pool. The world and moderate muslims will thank them for their self-sacrifice.

And while we're at it lets go ahead and encourage mentally disabled people, anyone who scores low on an IQ test, and little mexican midgets to voluntarily remove themselves from the gene pool, too. The world and moderately tall mexicans will thank them for their self-sacrifice.

[Pekka]

Including mentally challenged people doesn't work in this theory.

If hooligans beat each other, I hope they do a good job at it. If rioters trash each other, I hope they do a good job at it.

Has nothing to do with sick people.

It's Darwinism. Not racism.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
I know this isn't meant how it reads.

Knowing you, you probably read it as gay Mongolian hordes just burned Texas flags while eating children .

How does it read?

[mitch]

Originally posted by Pekka
Including mentally challenged people doesn't work in this theory.

If hooligans beat each other, I hope they do a good job at it. If rioters trash each other, I hope they do a good job at it.

Has nothing to do with sick people.

It's Darwinism. Not racism.

I didn't quite know how popular social Darwinism was these days.

How about if mentally challenged people beat each other? Would it then be ok to not care about their lives?

[mitch]

double post

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by mitch
Yes, lets both hope that more 8 year olds die to we can teach those bloody imams a lesson.

Yes, let's. For all intents and purposes, these kids have already been brainwashed into the wonderful world of JIHAD!!1 DEATH TO THE GREAT SATAN!!1 by their parents with next to no hope of coming to their senses. They will hate the West until the day they die, hopefully in a manner that doesn't involve killing masses of other people at the same time. It's one thing to be hateful, it's wholly another to act upon it. It's sad these kids are being indoctrinated into such an ugly mindless mindset, but there's little we can do about it from the outside. Best to leave them alone and hope they don't decide to NOT leave us alone.

And while we're at it lets go ahead and encourage mentally disabled people, anyone who scores low on an IQ test, and little mexican midgets to voluntarily remove themselves from the gene pool, too. The world and moderately tall mexicans will thank them for their self-sacrifice.

*Yawn* Strawman *yawn*

Little people and the mentally disabled aren't working themselves into an irrational furor of anti-West hatred, resulting in the accidental deaths of those immediately around them that are likewise worked up (or brought there by their parents). This is about the violence of the protestors, not their race, ethnicity, creed, or any other inane thing you might try to bring up. This is about the harm they're doing to themselves, to each other, to others, to Islam.

Originally posted by mitch
I didn't quite know how popular social Darwinism was these days.

How about if mentally challenged people beat each other? Would it then be ok to not care about their lives?

They probably aren't even aware that fighting like that is not generally acceptable. Remember, in many cases the mentally disabled have the mental capacity of children. And children aren't know for their good manners and civil disposition towards one another.

And they certainly aren't calling for the death of *insert favorite anti-position*

[laurentius]

http://www.glumbert.com/media/rave.html

[DRoseDARs]

The remix should have Christian snake dancers mixed in. Those are always fun.

[Pekka]

I include mentally challenged people in the same group with sick people in this one. They aren't fully aware of all things, so they have an excuse.

The rest, no excuse.

and most of all, a normal person knows, if they di dn't know yesterday, today they KNOW that going to such riot event is dangerous. There will be cops armed, there will be some crap flying to the fan, so it's not safe. Even then the person decides to go. Take the risk. The event turns violent. The person doesn't leave. He stays in it. He is fully aware it is dangerous. He is participating in this riot.

THat' Darwinism. He has too much information, or SHOULD have. It's the LACK of common sense that qualifies you into Darwin category, where you should have it. And thus mentally challenged people do not apply.

[mitch]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Yes, let's. For all intents and purposes, these kids have already been brainwashed into the wonderful world of JIHAD!!1 DEATH TO THE GREAT SATAN!!1 by their parents with next to no hope of coming to their senses. They will hate the West until the day they die, hopefully in a manner that doesn't involve killing masses of other people at the same time. It's one thing to be hateful, it's wholly another to act upon it. It's sad these kids are being indoctrinated into such an ugly mindless mindset, but there's little we can do about it from the outside. Best to leave them alone and hope they don't decide to NOT leave us alone.

The fact that you think 8 year olds have no hope of changing and you think they deserve death for their actions says enough about your argument. It seems you have already made up your mind at this one. I remember directly after September 11th they showed tv videos from Palestine of all the people there (especially young kids) celebrating and burning American flags, glad about the terrible events that occurred that day. My initial reaction was one of anger. The next day on the radio the dj was talking about this and said we should just nuke them all and we won’t have to worry about it anymore. But by simply wishing they all die you are no better than them. They view us as doing evil actions and wish death upon us. You view them as doing evil actions and wish the same upon them.

What we should be doing is to encourage others in the Muslim community to speak up and eventually a moderate revolution will occur within Islam (just like it eventually happened in Christianity) that will change the hearts and minds of people there. After all they are not that different from us. They are just products of their society, unfortunately a slight backwards society. They still go through the same emotions as any other human. Many of the religious conservatives here in the States, if brought up in an Islamic society would be the same way as those violent protestors. Luckily, though, we have a secular government and access to information and are relatively better off than any other society. Its amazing what human beings are capable of when they are deprived of hope and live in poverty and all they have to turn to is their religion. The real villains here are the Saudi Arabian government and all the people in power who continue to encourage these actions because of their own agendas.

Originally posted by DRoseDARs

*Yawn* Strawman *yawn*

Little people and the mentally disabled aren't working themselves into an irrational furor of anti-West hatred, resulting in the accidental deaths of those immediately around them that are likewise worked up (or brought there by their parents). This is about the violence of the protestors, not their race, ethnicity, creed, or any other inane thing you might try to bring up. This is about the harm they're doing to themselves, to each other, to others, to Islam.



They probably aren't even aware that fighting like that is not generally acceptable. Remember, in many cases the mentally disabled have the mental capacity of children. And children aren't know for their good manners and civil disposition towards one another.

And they certainly aren't calling for the death of *insert favorite anti-position*

Here is your argument: That all violent protestors who died deserved to. Wasn’t the American Revolution a violent protest? And a violent protest over taxes! Is that justified? Retrospectively yes it might be. Do I think violent protests over the cartoons are justified? No and personally I think it is much ado about nothing. But try and understand why these are taking place and the fact that there are so many means there is much larger issue here that needs to be addressed.

And what choices do people who have been indoctrinated with anti-west propaganda all their lives have? Imagine growing up in the Middle East. From your very first day you are inundated with anti US and anti Israel propaganda. If one grows up all their life being told this, and are not offered much else, to what capacity do we judge their decisions? Do they really have all the choices of someone who is raised in a free society? Obviously this doesn’t excuse the actions of terrorists, but to simply dismiss them as evil would put no value on their lives and not understand the nature of why they do what they do. Let me be clear that we must defend ourselves against people who want to do harm to us. That’s not the point, though.

I agree with you that these protestors are doing harm to their own society. And because of this I have already seen many Muslims on television coming out against the violent protests and saying it is causing more harm then good. If the cartoons were a catalyst to the extemist Islamic fringe then the riots are a catalyst for the moderate Islamists (to come out against religious fundamentalism). Realize that there are other solutions to this problem rather than death. To dismiss human life so easily is dangerous.