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    Man held over Iraq abuse claims

    Military police have arrested a man after pictures allegedly showing UK troops abusing Iraqi civilians were published in a UK newspaper.

    The Ministry of Defence said the man was detained on Sunday evening, after the News of the World carried images it said came from a video taken in 2004.

    Iraqi national security adviser Mowaffaq al-Rubaie called for an "immediate and rapid investigation".

    A Downing Street spokesman said the claims would be taken very seriously.

    The MoD refused to confirm if the arrested man was a serving soldier or where the arrest was made.

    A spokesman said he was detained at 2018 GMT, adding that the investigation was at a very early stage.

    'Abhorrence'

    Earlier, a Downing Street spokesman said it was important to keep the latest abuse claims in perspective.

    He said 80,000 soldiers had served in the country since 2003, but this was only the sixth to involve allegations of deliberate abuse of Iraqi civilians.

    "No one is trying to play down allegations of this kind, but it is important to keep it in perspective," he said.

    He added that it was important to show the public in Iraq and the UK that the government "abhors" any kind of abuse.

    Prime Minister Tony Blair, who was in South Africa at the weekend for a summit on poverty and development, promised on Sunday the claims would be investigated.

    'Tragic'

    Mr Rubaie said the allegations, if they were true, were "not acceptable".

    He called for Iraqis to take part in the investigation, adding that any soldiers found to be responsible "must compensate those victims and apologise to them directly".

    UK troops could face a backlash

    The News of the World, which published the pictures, said they came from a "secret home video" taken outside a military compound in the south of the country.

    Soldiers were shown beating and kicking youths in an attack which is said to last for one minute, with 42 blows counted.

    The video images have been carried by satellite news channels the Middle East, but an Army spokesman in Basra said there had not yet been any recriminations on the streets.

    Basra City Council chief Mohammed al-Abadi said local leaders wanted quick action and assurances that Iraqis would not be "humiliated further".


    Right now the reaction doesn't seem that bad, but it hasn't been out for too long I guess.
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    What? They got a pic of the soldier calling some Iraqi a "bloody git"?
    Monkey!!!

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    • #3
      In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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      • #4
        I was wondering when this thread is created. I saw the beating in the news. It was kind of bad. It wasn't necessary from the pragmatic view point at all. They separated few guys, who looked like kids, and beat them up in groups. But that's all I saw so .. and I do realize these kind of things happen so it's not like I want to play some kind of judgenator, people should wake up to reality and smell the coffee first.

        But it was midly disturbing video in sense of UK troops since they are regarded pretty well, so now the image takes a bad hit.

        For the beating?

        Jpaher, you obviously didn't see the video
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          nm

          "The News of the World, which published the pictures, said they came from a "secret home video" taken outside a military compound in the south of the country.

          Soldiers were shown beating and kicking youths in an attack which is said to last for one minute, with 42 blows counted."

          This should be at the start of the article not at the end
          Monkey!!!

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          • #6
            The video? No it isn't. It's almost #1 in Europe at the moment and the video is spreading, the video is real, I do n' tknow if the commentating voice is, but the video is real.
            In da butt.
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            • #7
              It was on the news yesterday.
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              • #8
                We should find this repugnant, but should we be surprised??
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                • #9
                  I don't think anyone is surprised ...
                  Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

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                  • #10
                    not being surprised



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                    • #11
                      I wondered why there wasn't a thread on this already... The guy who was filming and commenting the scene was a major creep. At one point, I was wondering if he was masturbating...
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MrFun
                        not being surprised



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                        • #13
                          nostromo, yeah the commentating made all the difference. If the rest of the story is true, which necessarily isnt', then the filming guy was a sadist, showing the tape to people and being proud of it.

                          OTher than that, it was just a beating. Wrong, bad, but nothing new or truly shocking.
                          In da butt.
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                          THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Japher
                            This should be at the start of the article not at the end
                            It's not at the start because it's a continuation of previous reports about the video.
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                            • #15
                              I'm sure the uproar in the world would be more significant if it had been American soldiers.
                              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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