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  • Canadian Philosophy Professor Raises Tensions

    Halifax prof who offended Muslims joins in march, debates students
    By MICHAEL TUTTON AND KEITH DOUCETTE
    2006-02-09 18:52:00

    HALIFAX (CP) - Some of the public passions roused internationally by cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad surfaced in Canada on Thursday with shouting matches erupting at a protest in Halifax, and Muslims in Montreal saying they were worried a weekend protest there could turn violent.

    The largely peaceful protest in Halifax turned tense when some Muslim students confronted a professor who has drawn fire for posting the contentious drawings on his office door.

    Peter March, a philosophy professor at Saint Mary's University, said he was merely trying to promote a reasoned debate when he suddenly showed up in the midst of 100 protesters.

    When the students realized who he was, a group of angry youths started yelling, "Go away!" and "You don't belong here!"

    The shouting that ensued, all captured by TV cameras, was precisely the kind of image Canadian Muslim leaders are trying to avoid as governments and religious leaders continue to call for calm amid fears the recent violence has only reinforced Islam's negative image in the West.

    In Montreal, a Muslim leader said Thursday he will meet with organizers of a planned weekend protest in a bid to persuade them to cancel the event.

    Salam Elmenyawi, head of the Muslim Council of Montreal, said tensions are running very high, but the local Muslim community has supported a declaration condemning the violence that has swept the Muslim world over the drawings, which first appeared in a Danish newspaper.

    "While Canadian and Quebec Muslims share in the intense emotions and displeasure of their fellow Muslims the world over, we call upon them to address this most serious matter in a calm and constructive manner," Elmenyawi told a news conference.

    Meanwhile, religious groups across Canada, including the Canadian Jewish Council, have condemned the editorial cartoons, saying they are needlessly provocative.

    In Halifax, protest organizers said they were responding to March's decision to post three of the cartoons on his office door Tuesday.

    On Wednesday, the university ordered the images removed, citing concerns over health and safety.

    The professor complied, but he revived the debate Thursday when he delivered a classroom lecture to 60 students that focused on his belief that all religions are odious.

    March said academics must uphold the right of philosophers to be critical of religion.

    Following the lecture, some Muslim students said March was mocking their beliefs.

    Student Shaheen Sajan questioned March's motives.

    "Since this issue has come up, you have to question Peter March's credibility," she said. "He went out and gave his home address - my analysis is he's inviting aggressive behaviour. He wants his 15 minutes of fame."

    Rafiq Al-Qishaii. one of the marchers who urged protesters to ignore March, also said March was looking for trouble.

    "This is what he wants . . . He wants to cause a problem here."

    For his part, March said he wanted to engage those who disagreed with what he did.

    "You can't do philosophy directly and honestly without causing inflammation," he said as the protest march was getting started. "It's one of the side effects, rather like surgery."

    After the march, passions flared again on the university campus when March engaged in several discussions that soon turned to heated arguments.

    He was helped into a campus building by police who barred the doors to a group of angry students.

    A group calling itself the Palestine Solidarity Society at Saint Mary's University issued a release saying the classroom is an appropriate forum for discussion of the cartoons - not an office door.

    On Prince Edward Island, the Muslim community has criticized a student newspaper for publishing the cartoons.

    The Cadre, the student newspaper at the University of Prince Edward Island, published the 12 cartoons.

    The university moved quickly to stop about 2,000 copies of the newspaper from being distributed on campus.
    These are the kinds of idiots we trust to Ethics decisions? Class.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    There was an interesting post in the SA forums from a guy who apparently is in an editorial position at "The Cadre," noted near the end of this article.
    Lime roots and treachery!
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    • #3
      These are the kinds of idiots we trust to Ethics decisions? Class.
      Frankly, yes. Responsibility where ethics is concerned is only relevant to those who would practice those ethics. The whole purpose of conceptualising stuff and discussing it in an academic forum is to break free of the petty concerns and sensibilities of the current political climate.

      Frankly, I consider his actions to be useful; in that they provoke discussions, and that therefore, he is simply doing his job.

      It's far more likely that Asher has some petty gripe with Apple -> Agathon, and therefore, philosophers. Silly boy
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      • #4
        Whaleboy
        urgh.NSFW

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        • #5
          Whaleboy
          You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Whaleboy
            Frankly, yes. Responsibility where ethics is concerned is only relevant to those who would practice those ethics. The whole purpose of conceptualising stuff and discussing it in an academic forum is to break free of the petty concerns and sensibilities of the current political climate.

            Frankly, I consider his actions to be useful; in that they provoke discussions, and that therefore, he is simply doing his job.
            Frankly, I consider you to be full of sh*t. If it is his job to be insensitive to obviously a very sensitive situation, then fire his ass.

            He is not being insightful, he is not teaching anything, he is not promoting discussion...he is promoting protests and raising tensions across the country for no reason except he can because he has tenure.

            What he did was out of line, if he wanted to discuss it he should've waited until tempers were not flaring. He should have brought it up in a classroom environment (where you CAN promote discussion) instead of just pasting the thing on his door (which does nothing but stir sh*t and anger people).

            He has illustrated just how little ethical sensibilities he has, and so have the people who support his retarded actions. This is precisely why we shouldn't have morons like this dictating the path of science and what is or what is not ethical -- they're simply out to lunch on reality.

            I am not the only one who thinks this, so to dismiss the argument based on some Apple->Agathon->Philosopher link is the weak arguments I come to expect from people who think Philosophy is useful at a modern University level. Both the school and the other professors at the school have also condemned his actions. This has made news across the country, with the professor being the person chastised.
            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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            • #7
              And I'm in his line of thought (critical of religions), as I'm sure everyone here knows, but I've got enough up in my head to know when to not throw gasoline on a fire.
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #8

                Frankly, I consider you to be full of sh*t. If it is his job to be insensitive to obviously a very sensitive situation, then fire his ass.


                His job is to promote discussion and debate. And that he did - fact is, even now, we're discussing his actions - and it seems that you take the whole "offending sensibilities" bull**** position - which is great, we might just talk you out of it, or the other way around, and his mission will be successful, even more that he imagined.
                urgh.NSFW

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Az
                  His job is to promote discussion and debate.
                  ie, to troll.

                  And that he did - fact is, even now, we're discussing his actions
                  We're discussing his actions, not the cartoons. That's precisely my point, thank you for repeating it.

                  Is that what we call "self-pwning"?
                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                  Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                  • #10
                    Hey, I have an idea.

                    Let's post gay pornography outside of a daycare. I'm sure that will promote lots of discussion and debate.

                    Hooray for Ethics and Philosophy.
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #11
                      promoting truth
                      I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

                      Asher on molly bloom

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                      • #12
                        gay porn = teh truth
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #13
                          Whaleboy

                          Peter March is certainly doing his job and he is doing it well.
                          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                          Steven Weinberg

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                          • #14
                            So we pay taxpayer money for people to incite protests and be critical of their actions?

                            Amazing. Perhaps I was wrong in my judgement that ethics classes are useless in University, I was perhaps expecting too much of my fellow students if so many people here think that trolling a heated topic by a tenured professor is considered ethical and doing his job.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Asher
                              Hey, I have an idea.

                              Let's post gay pornography outside of a daycare. I'm sure that will promote lots of discussion and debate.

                              Hooray for Ethics and Philosophy.
                              ROFLMAO - you yet again shows that you haven't the faintest idea of what is happening.
                              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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