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    One of Chavez's more popular populist policies, and one which die hard leftests around the world admire most, has been to put price controls on most staple food stuffs in Venezuela. The BBC is reporting that these policies have resulted in major shortages throughout the country.

    Venezuelan shoppers face food shortages

    By Greg Morsbach
    BBC News, Caracas

    President Hugo Chavez's policy of keeping a tight control on food retail prices while doubling the price of raw coffee beans back in December may have backfired.

    For at least a week, there has been no roasted coffee available on the shelves of Venezuelan supermarkets as wholesalers and coffee producers have been withholding their coffee from sale.

    Since 2003, President Chavez has maintained a strict price regime on some basic foods like coffee, beans, sugar and powdered milk.

    But this measure designed to curb inflation has alienated Venezuela's coffee producers who say their profit margins have been reduced to nothing.

    Ongoing talks

    Coffee farmers have seen a 100% increase in the state-controlled price of raw coffee.

    However, the government has so far been reluctant to increase retail prices to a level acceptable to coffee roasters and traders.

    The reaction by coffee companies has been to hoard tens of thousands of tonnes of coffee in warehouses in the hope that the government would eventually announce fair prices.

    "You can't blame us for keeping the coffee to ourselves for the moment," says Eduardo Bianco, a senior executive at Cafe Madrid, Venezuela's largest coffee producer.

    "Would you sell your products on the open market if you were sure you were going to make a loss?"

    Government minister and coffee executives have been locked in long talks to try to resolve the deadlock.

    Some industry insiders say a compromise is imminent, others are more cautious.

    Nothing left

    While the coffee barons were in crisis talks with the government, consumers in Venezuela were becoming frustrated.

    "I've been trying to buy filter coffee since Christmas," says Marcel Rodriguez, a 52 year-old telecoms engineer.

    "But every single supermarket here in Caracas seems to have sold out. I've now given up."

    Venezuela's leftwing leader has authorised the use of the National Guard to "find every last kilogram of coffee" being stockpiled by coffee roasters.

    He even raised the prospect of nationalising the industry as a last resort.

    "As far as the law is concerned, we're absolutely within our rights to seize coffee which is deliberately being withheld from sale," insists Samuel Ruh, a government appointed monitor of consumer rights.

    "In fact, we have already carried out several successful raids at premises illegally holding thousands of tonnes of coffee."

    Yet several food stores in Venezuela's capital city Caracas say the coffee raids are not addressing the fact that shops are also running low on sugar, maize, powdered milk and beans.

    Store managers insist they are not being supplied with new stock from wholesalers and importers, who were also complaining that the prices set by the government are too low.

    Running short

    Three days ago, street sellers working in the country's black market were still able to provide the roasted coffee that the supermarkets were not stocking.

    However, even they have since admitted defeat.

    "I'm sorry, we have sold out of all the coffee," says Marcos Hernandez who runs a street stall in La Vega, a poor area in the west of Caracas.

    "A lot of people who failed to get something at the supermarkets have come to see me, and now I too have nothing left."

    Some owners of street cafes in Caracas say they would run out of coffee within days if the supply chain does not get back to normal quickly.

    "I have ten kilograms of filter coffee left," shrugs Carlos Acosta who runs a small bakery and cafeteria in Caracas.

    "I don't know what will happen. My suppliers say at the moment they can't help."

    Unhappy voters

    All of the trouble in the food industry comes at a bad time for the socialist government of Venezuela.

    This year is a presidential election year in Venezuela, and although opinion polls suggest President Chavez enjoys 60% public support, problems in the food supply chain could dent his popularity in the long run.

    His government's woes are compounded by massive structural problems of a key road bridge linking the capital city, Caracas, to Venezuela's main international airport.

    The other day, President Chavez admitted that attempts by engineers to save the bridge from collapse had failed.

    Tens of thousands of motorists now face misery as they try to negotiate a bumpy road from and to Caracas.

    Trucks carrying goods from the airport now face a four-hour journey to the shops of the capital city, whereas the old route via the bridge took only 90 minutes.

    A new bridge will not be ready before the year 2010 according to government estimates.
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    Just more evidence that price controls don't work and that Chavez is running his nation's economy into the ground. No doubt he will continue to paper over the problems while oil prices remain high but oil production is falling rapidly since he's policies prevent or discourage most private investment while his cronyism has replaced skilled managers with incompetant political cronies. Venezuela needs to put in place policies which improve the nonoil economy but so far the government is strangling the nonoil economy.
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  • #2
    This problem will take care of itself eventually.
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    • #3
      People won't sell goods for less then it cost them to buy the goods if they can avoid it. That's not going to change over time. Ordering the military to seize people's goods and force them to sell said goods at a lose is also not going to solve the problem.
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      • #4
        Well, it's quite obvious. However, if the government sees this as priority, it can either subsidize the price, or take over production- and the set prices as it wishes.
        urgh.NSFW

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        • #5
          Price controls are the most boneheaded of all the socialist policies.

          The logical end of an economy with extensive price controls is slavery.

          People just don't grow, process, store, distribute, and sell for charity on a large scale.

          Same goes for factory work, services, etc etc. 'Community need', charity, and patriotism just don't put food on the table and toys in the kids hands.

          I don't disagree with all socialist policies but price controls are just retarded.
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          • #6
            Subsidies, fine, but price controls are stupid. Subsidies lead to overproduction, but its better to have too much food produced than not enough every time.
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            • #7
              Ah, but Oerdin: the capitalist pigdogs are interefering. It would work, but for the nefarious counter-revolutionary forces!



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              • #8
                What I see is a price for raw coffee set too high, or a price for processed coffee set too low, which makes it uneconomical to process coffee (if the coffee-industrialists are to be believed).

                As such, the solution is fairly simple: you raise the set price of processed coffee, or you lower the set price of raw coffee. However, I don't see where the very concept of set price has gone wrong.
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                • #9
                  Coffee is a basic food?
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                  • #10
                    Spiffor: By the mere fact that a set price is no where near as quickly correcting as a market price. Chavez set what he thought was a proper price. He was wrong and now there are huge shortages.

                    It is far better to subsidize and thus use the market to allow most people to be able to buy coffee at lower prices (because of overproduction that comes from subsidizing).
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                    • #11
                      Prices are SIGNALS to both consumers and producers. Price controls attempt to hide information, and are among the most evil things ever invented by the government.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Az
                        Well, it's quite obvious. However, if the government sees this as priority, it can either subsidize the price, or take over production- and the set prices as it wishes.
                        There won't be over production in the future because why would farmers produce crops they lose money on? Why would bakers bake bread they lose money on? Why should anyone make anything they lose money on?

                        Subsidies would at least prevent shortages though I doubt they'd be financially feasable.
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                        • #13
                          I concur with Spiffor that the set price is not evil in itself. They just need to set it at a correct price. Morocco sets the price of all commodities (on a panel at the entrance of the village), and I've never seen such an amazing diversity of spices, fish, and charcuterie in a market.

                          But since the story is about Chavez, I'm sure there could be another side of the it. What if coffee majors have started hoarding coffee just as a protest against his regime?
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                          • #14

                            There won't be over production in the future because why would farmers produce crops they lose money on? Why would bakers bake bread they lose money on? Why should anyone make anything they lose money on?


                            take over production. as in nationalize.
                            urgh.NSFW

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                            • #15
                              Hell, I'm a socialist and I think price controls are stupid except in emergency situations. This is more of a problem of economic populism rather than socialism. For example, the US Populists of the late 1800's wanted inflation up the wazoo so farmers could pay of debts more easily even though it would of screwed up the economy.

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