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  • Then why on earth are you a communist?
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    • Originally posted by chegitz guevara
      Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
      So let me get this straight, you favour states rights when it applies to blue states, and are against states rights when it applies to red states?


      That's because in blue states, they use states rights to increase your freedom, while in red states they use it to decrease your freedom. I am not consistent in my support of states rights. I am consistent in my not wanting the overnment telling me how to live my life.
      Hmmm...So you should have the right to live in a state that has different values than you and the state should be forced to adopt your values? Perhaps, if these "freedoms" are so important that you should do one of two things: 1.) Move to a Blue State, or 2.) Become involved in educating people on the merits of your ideas.
      Freedom of sppech is federally guaranteed by the constitution...speak your mind and, if your idea has merit to the local social structure, then change will begin to take place.

      Legislating or judicially imposing values on a National level is not the answer. Communities and States should decide what works best for their particular culture. Over time, population movement and education will make things pretty standard I would imagine.
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      • Much as I loathe sticking up for Commies, 1.) is not always economically feasible and in our current political climate 2.) rarely works. People tend to react to disagreement with a label of treason or fascism, depending on which side is disagreeing.
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        • But when the federal welfare rolls then swell with Red-Staters, and when the Dept. of Education has to pump money into a school system the state won't adequately fund, and the money to keep it all afloat comes disproportionately from Blue States, then, yeah, I have a problem.


          The easy solution to this is to get rid of federal welfare and severely curtail federal spending on education. Looks like you should vote conservative in the next election.

          However, I disagree that the federal government has the responsibility or even right to redistribute income in the manner that it does. In other words, don't prop up Mississippi schools with federal dollars. When Mississippi desires a higher standard of life then the people of the State should have the responsibility of taking action. If the people don't desire a higher standard of life, then why should a federal system impose one on them?


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          • Jeez, what a bleak view of a federal system.
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            • Originally posted by notyoueither
              Jeez, what a bleak view of a federal system.
              Or...What a Bright view of the State System!

              Depends on your point of view I guess.
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              • You think poorer areas of your country should be left to fend for themselves?
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                • Originally posted by notyoueither
                  You think poorer areas of your country should be left to fend for themselves?
                  When those areas consistently vote for the party that preaches small government, individual initiative, and private solutions? Hell yeah. If they want the benefits of a welfare state, they should at least have the balls to say so.
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                  • Lowering quality of education in poorer areas of red states will sure teach those rich conservatives a lesson.

                    Take that!
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                    • Originally posted by notyoueither
                      Lowering quality of education in poorer areas of red states will sure teach those rich conservatives a lesson.

                      Take that!
                      No, but it may teach those people who benefit from education dollars that the party of rich conservatives doesn't represent their best interests.
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                      • Originally posted by Oerdin


                        Amendment IX:

                        The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

                        Amendment X:

                        The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


                        Now, where's the right to privacy?

                        It is clearly in those two amendments.
                        Also the 1st, 4th and 5th amendments.
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                        • Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly

                          No, but it may teach those people who benefit from education dollars that the party of rich conservatives doesn't represent their best interests.
                          Sure. Roll back the new deal to punish people you disagree with.

                          Brilliant.
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                          • Hey, it isn't really punishing them if that's what they want
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                            • What 'they' want?

                              The millions of people who vote for Democrats across the South and elsewhere want the federal state dismantled?
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                              • Originally posted by notyoueither


                                Sure. Roll back the new deal to punish people you disagree with.

                                Brilliant.
                                Rolling back the New Deal isn't my idea -- it's the GOP's idea. I just think people who actually vote for the party that wants to roll back the New Deal should be prepared to live without it.
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