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  • Is the Amazon Forest a man made place?

    If you watch any of the nature TV shows long enough you will eventually find an episode about the Amazon Rain Forest in which the entire place is described as "untouched", or "pristine", or even "ancient" as if the forest has always been the way it currently is and if left alone it will always remain in its current form. This view has become a piece or orthodoxy among the world's environmentalists which carries nearly religious devotion but is it true? People visiting the Amazon often notice how tropical fruit trees seem to grow every where and biologists have been stunned to notice that up to 25% of all the trees in the forest are fruit trees. How is it the forest happens to have so many fruits which humans find tasty?

    I just finished reading the book 1491 by Charles C. Mann which details the latest understanding of what the Americas were like the year before Columbus sailed. It is a fascinating read (the best book I've read since Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, & Steel) and I'd recommend it to anyone who is interested in history or human civilizations. It deals not only with the various cities and civilizations of the new world, and there were a lot more then most people know about, but also details how the land was intensively managed & altered by humans in order to bend it more to their liking. Far from living in harmony or balance with nature Native Americans were actively terraforming and modifying the landscape throughout the Americas.

    Today much of the eastern portion of North America is thickly growing forests yet when the first Europeans arrived they described and open park like land with scattered mature trees surrounded by grassland and native farming villages. Most of the Mayan homeland has salt in the groundwater and is subject to regular El Nino associated droughts so the only way to get reliable irrigation water is to dig reservoirs (by hand since no draft animals were available) and then line those reservoirs with clay layers to prevent salt water intrusion. Thousands of these clay lined artificial lakes were created. The Andean cultures terraformed virtually every hillside with artificial terraces in order to maximize the productive farmland but all of these seem to pale in comparison to the modification Natives conducted in the Amazon basin.

    Today the few remaining Native groups in the Amazon live as either hunter gathers or as slash and burn farmers who scrap out a living for a few years before exhausted soils force them to relocated every 2-4 years. Few people realize that the Amazon was one of only a few places on Earth where farming was independently created and at on time the whole region was dotted with medium to large sized permanent settlements. The first Europeans to sail down the Amazon noted that the region was densely populated and that large permanent settlements were often constructed on hills near the river which were high enough not to flood in the annual rainy season.

    For centuries westerns have said this was impossible since tropical soils were so poor and because normal seasonal crops have such a hard time growing in such depleted soils. There is also the problem that the constant rains pack the soil into a hardpan once the trees are removed thus turning the land into a virtual desert where nothing can grow. The Indians seemed to solve these problems in ways which modern peasant farmers have not been able to do so. Instead of seasonal crops like maize or wheat they planted large numbers of fruit trees, various types of fruit palms, and in between the trees they planted root crops like cassava. The Indians also created artificially fertilized farm fields by composting human waste, charcoal, organic waste (fish bones, animal bones, etc), and (critically) pieces of broken pottery. The pottery contains a great deal of nitrogen plus the clays swell and contract during the cycle of wet & dry seasons helping to loosen the soil and prevent compaction. These areas of dark soil are called terra preta which are entirely unlike the natural red clay like soils found in the rest of the Amazon yet they can be found over large areas of Amazon. Many of these terra preta fields cover dozens of square miles.

    By most accounts some where between 25% and 10% of the entire Amazon basin is covered with these ancient Indian enriched farm fields. That would be an area larger then France and Spain combined which used to be under cultivation in this supposedly ancient forest. Also biologists have noticed that the percentage of fruit trees in the Amazon (currently about one tree out of four in the entire forest) has been declining for centuries. Supposedly natives planted vast sections of the Amazon with fruit orchards however when old world diseases killed 95% of the native population the towns and early cities all ceased to exist and the few remaining survivors reverted to hunter gathering since they no longer had the man power needed to build irrigation canals and other improvements needed to maintain an advanced agricultural society.

    I find it fascinating that a very large part of what we now consider wilderness has actually been intensively shaped by man made activities.
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    That's a pretty cool read Oerdin

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    • #3
      There were other interesting details in the book as well. Hernando De Soto was the first European to explore the southeastern portion of the US and he noted the area supported many large native villages so of which even created vast earthworks structures around their towns as protection. There was intensive farming and and the starving Europeans (there food was running out and the hostile natives didn't feel like giving the violent strangers food) noted that game was hard to come by. The next European to visit the area didn't come until a cenury later and La Salle kept noting that the land was empty of people and that it was filled with all manner of game and fish. He even noted bison in places like Arkansas. It seems that after disease had destroyed most of the human population the animal population exploded since there was no one left around to hunt them.
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      • #4
        Nature is a strange thing.
        Especially how it adapts to those who need it.
        The pollination of certain plants, particullarly Iris' comes to mind.
        Monkey!!!

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        • #5
          The really interesting part is the amount of pottery in terra preta. We're talking about millions of tons of these broken pieces of pottery. Think about the number of people and the manufacturing needed to make all those pots. That means a lot of people were working for a very long time just building pottery (over several centuries) so they simply couldn't be hunter gathers since you need to have enough food to feed all those extra workers who were building pottery.

          One of the main reasons people never believed there was an ancient civilization in the Amazon is because it is so hard to come by physical evidence. For the Maya we have the stone temples and stone remains of cities but the Amazon is virtually devoid of stone (all that rain cases a lot of weathering) and the natives never developed metal working. Much of their civilization would have been built out of wood which quickly rots in the tropics so all we have to go on are pottery (lots and lots of this), the few stone tools we've found at archeological sites, and critically the dirt mounds and earthworks they've left behind. Most of those canals and earthworks are so large people didn't recognize them until aerial photos were taken of the forest starting in the 1950's.

          This was one of the world's great lost civilizations and no one really knows much about it.
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          • #6
            This was one of the world's great lost civilizations and no one really knows much about it.
            Everyone knew about it, it wouldn't be lost!
            Monkey!!!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Oerdin
              There were other interesting details in the book as well. Hernando De Soto was the first European to explore the southeastern portion of the US and he noted the area supported many large native villages so of which even created vast earthworks structures around their towns as protection. There was intensive farming and and the starving Europeans (there food was running out and the hostile natives didn't feel like giving the violent strangers food) noted that game was hard to come by. The next European to visit the area didn't come until a cenury later and La Salle kept noting that the land was empty of people and that it was filled with all manner of game and fish. He even noted bison in places like Arkansas. It seems that after disease had destroyed most of the human population the animal population exploded since there was no one left around to hunt them.
              I watched a show on the Discovery channel or some other derivative of the network that suggests that the cliff people were part of this once thriving civilization that De Soto might have seen. The host of the show made the point that many of the structures being built at the time were of defensive nature, that is that they could overlook a valley and had an easy means of defense.

              What this suggests, as the program stated, is that these people had something to be afraid of. Also, as was found in many large abandoned settlements, it appears that cannibalism might have been started out of desperation because of lack of food or some sort of very bad mothers who had invaded from the south.

              One of the biggest mysteries of the American Southwest is what happened to these people. There is strong suggestion that they were invaded or were subject to an extreme social breakdown.

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              • #8
                No

                I built it, last week.
                Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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                • #9
                  What does this have to do with Amazon.com?

                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                  Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                  • #10
                    interesting stuff oerdin
                    "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                    "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                    • #11
                      very
                      I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

                      Asher on molly bloom

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                      • #12
                        The basic realization that Amerindians shaped their environment isn't news to me, but Oerdin provided interesting, detailed information that I haven't read about before.
                        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                        • #13
                          Intresting read Oerdin. Yeah, as long as there was H. Sapiens around there was no truely wild area. To me the question is sustainablitly. That fruit tree cultivation in Amazonia is a good example of that.

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                          • #14
                            Now when a bunch of space aliens land on our doorstep what should we do with them? That's right, we bubble boy the bastards.

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                            • #15
                              You should post it at SE, I would like to see how ahtzib responds to it.
                              No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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