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Russia has the right to charge the market price on it's commodities. Isn't that what Ukraine wanted when they staged the "Orange Revolution", a market economy? Well, now they've got one.
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A market economy respects contracts.Originally posted by techumseh
Russia has the right to charge the market price on it's commodities. Isn't that what Ukraine wanted when they staged the "Orange Revolution", a market economy? Well, now they've got one.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Luckily, in a free market, they can always buy their gas elsewhere. Right? ...Right????Comment
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The Russians burned themselves with this- heavy handed, and they have no real case becasue if they cut off the Ukraine, the Ukraine can cut off the rest of Europe, and then Russia loses revenue and the rest of Europe no longer sees them as a reliable supplier.
Bad stupid heavy handed move by Gazprom and Putin.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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Interesting Article on the topic of proposed gas pipelines. Includes a map of current pipelines as well."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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those evil Russians. how DARE them to ask Ukraine to pay gas at market price? they MUST have a discount, as they live in a poor country
I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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A contract is a contract. That's almost as simple as shouting "ALLAH! ALLAH!".Last edited by Colon™; January 2, 2006, 23:57.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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"rebus sic stantibus"Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
A market economy respects contracts.Comment
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Yeah, which "extrodinary circumstances"? Because you want to put a dig in against the market economy?
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Two circumstances have changed. The value of the commodity has risen dramatically, destroying the equillibrium between the two parties, and the political circumstances for which the previous rate (effectively a subsidy) was granted have also changed.Comment
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That's almost as simple as shouting "ALLAH! ALLAH!
It's actually either
ALLAHU AKHBARU
or
PRAISE ALLAHI will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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Sorry, that's not going to fly in international law. Hell, if the split of Czechoslovakia wasn't enough to be considered a 'change in circumstances' the mere fact that the value of the commodity went up and the previous rate was supposed to be a subsidy won't do it either.Originally posted by techumseh
Two circumstances have changed. The value of the commodity has risen dramatically, destroying the equillibrium between the two parties, and the political circumstances for which the previous rate (effectively a subsidy) was granted have also changed.
Sorry, no dice.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Nobody would accept that a company can force another company to renegotiate a contract because the management has changed, not even if market circumstances changed as well.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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And likewise, it's pretty normal that we expect countries to honour treaties whatever gov't there may follow up the one that signed it. As if Chirac could renege a treaty signed with the US because it was signed when Clinton was in power.
But I've noticed Russia has some problems with concepts like these.DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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Hard to find a real market economy when one party can tear up legal contracts when ever they feel like it.Originally posted by techumseh
Russia has the right to charge the market price on it's commodities. Isn't that what Ukraine wanted when they staged the "Orange Revolution", a market economy? Well, now they've got one.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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