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    A retired autoworker who supposedly worked as a guard in a Nazi death camp during WW2 has been deported to his native Ukraine to stand trail. I doubt we will see to many more cases like this. Interestingly enough an Israeli court already tried him once and found him not guilty due to lack of evidence.

    An 85-year-old man accused of having been a guard at a Nazi death camp is to be deported from the US to his native Ukraine, an immigration judge has said.

    John Demjanjuk lost his US citizenship in 2002 after a judge said there was proof he had worked at Nazi camps.

    He has denied the allegations and his lawyers argued he would be tortured if sent back to Ukraine.

    Mr Demjanjuk migrated to the US in 1951 and was briefly deported to Israel amid a 30-year legal battle over his past.

    At the time, he was suspected of having been a notorious concentration camp guard, known by the nickname "Ivan the Terrible".

    But his name was eventually cleared in an Israeli court and he was spared the death penalty.

    He returned to the US and his citizenship - which he had lost for allegedly lying to US immigration officials - was restored.

    However, in 2002, an immigration judge ruled that there was enough evidence to prove Mr Demjanjuk had been a guard at several Nazi death camps and again stripped him of his citizenship.

    He lost an appeal against the decision in 2004.

    'Shark tank'

    Mr Demjanjuk now has 30 days to appeal against the latest order for his deportation.

    US immigration judge Michael Creppy said there was no evidence to prove his claim that he would tortured if returned to the Ukraine.

    Mr Demjanjuk's lawyer had argued that deporting him to Ukraine would be like throwing him "into a shark tank".

    Mr Demjanjuk has always insisted he was a prisoner of war with the Nazis, rather than a guard serving under them.

    But his 2002 trial found that he had been an armed guard at the Sobibor, Majdanek and Flossenburg concentration camps where tens of thousands of Jews were executed in gas chambers.
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  • #2
    Wait... if the Israelis wouldn't convict this guy, where is this evidence that he was a guard? What, did the Judge have special secret information?
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    • #3
      I guess the Israeli court said there wasn't enough to convict him but a US court ruled there was enough evidience for him to stand trial in his native Ukraine. The Ukraine wants to try him for war crimes and crimes against humanity for working in a Nazi death camp.
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      • #4
        I find it questionable that he be deported to stand trial a second time for the same crimes.
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        • #5
          Yeah, though different jurisdictions. The US probably just wanna make friend gestures to the Ukraine.

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          • #6
            This guy is 85 years old. It was 60 years ago. He has stood trial for this once and been cleared.

            Enough already.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Flip McWho
              Yeah, though different jurisdictions. The US probably just wanna make friend gestures to the Ukraine.
              One would think that double jeopardy protection offered by the US constitution would still apply, if the crimes are actually the same. If new information has come to light and they are able to charge him with a different set of crimes (i.e. they tried him before as being guard X but now they've determined that he might have been guard Y at a different facility) then that's a different story, of course.
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              • #8
                Nazis. I hate those guys.
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                • #9
                  New information came out after he was acquitted in Israel (for allegedly being "Ivan the Terrible") which seemed to indicate that he was indeed a guard at several death camps. The charges are similar, but not the same.
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                  • #10
                    It was 60 years ago
                    So what? A crime is a crime
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Edan
                      Nazis. I hate those guys.
                      In 1944 you would have hated half of Europe's population for helping them with the holocaust in one way or another. There were hundreds of thousands of guys like him, and they are not the kind of people we refer to as Nazis - due to a usual lack of ideological motivation.

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                      • #12
                        If the Israelis have tried and freed him I don´t understand why the Ukranians want him for. He´s been freed by the highest power available to man in these matters next to God himself...
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                        • #13
                          Because only Jews were killed in concentration camps, no "gypsy" people and no political prisoners at all?

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                          • #14
                            Don´t blame me. It´s the jews/israelis that have monopolized the holocaust.
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                            • #15
                              The term "holocaust" refers to the genocide against the Hebrews/Israelis(/Jews - don't ask) mostly, but others have been imprisoned and killed in camps. Eastern Europeans feel especially harmed, since the war was carried out on their territory, so they want to have their own revenge.

                              As far as the Israeli court matter is concerned, I'd pretty much suppose he's now charged with a different case than he was in Israel. Maybe in Israel it was general Nazi-ness and now it's some individual case in some village or something. Though, the article says it's for being a camp guard...

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