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  • Rumsfeld Says Troops in Iraq to Be Cut

    By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer
    6 minutes ago

    FALLUJAH, Iraq - Just days after
    Iraq's elections, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld on Friday announced the first of what is likely to be a series of U.S. combat troop drawdowns in Iraq in 2006.

    Rumsfeld, addressing U.S. troops at this former insurgent stronghold, said
    President Bushhas authorized new cuts below the 138,000 level that has prevailed for most of this year.

    Rumsfeld did not reveal the exact size of the troop cut, but
    Pentagonofficials have said it could be as much as 7,000 combat troops. The Pentagon has not announced a timetable for troop reductions, but indications are that the force could be cut significantly by the end of 2006.

    That could include substantial reductions well before the November midterm congressional elections, in which Bush's war policies seem certain to be a major issue.

    Rumsfeld said two Army brigades that had been scheduled for combat tours — one from Fort Riley, Kan., the other now in Kuwait — would no longer deploy to Iraq. That would reduce the number of combat brigades in Iraq from 17 to 15.

    "The effect of these adjustments will reduce forces in Iraq by the spring of 2006 below the current high of 160,000 during the (Iraqi) election period to below the 138,000 baseline that had existed before the most recent elections," the defense secretary said.

    Rumsfeld aides said details were to be provided later at the Pentagon.

    Further reductions will be considered "at some point in 2006," after the new Iraqi government is in place and is prepared to discuss the future U.S. military presence, Rumsfeld added.

    The Pentagon sent an extra 20,000 troops to Iraq to bolster security during the recent elections, and Rumsfeld has previously said those 20,000 would be withdrawn in January to return U.S. force levels to a 138,000 baseline.

    Friday's announcement marks the first time Rumsfeld has said troop levels will dip below that baseline.

    Rumsfeld, who has said repeatedly that troop reductions depend on political progress in Iraq and improvements in Iraq's own security forces, was meeting with U.S. troops in several locations Friday. He arrived in the country Thursday for his 11th visit since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.

    Bush is under growing pressure from the Republican-run Congress to cut U.S. forces in Iraq. The conflict's acceptance by American voters has plummeted as the war's toll has mounted to more than 2,100 U.S. war dead and 15,000 wounded.

    Bush, Rumsfeld and other administration officials have said a withdrawal would begin when the U.S.-trained Iraqi security forces show sufficient signs of being able to defend the country against insurgents.

    There were 159,000 U.S. troops in Iraq on Thursday.

    Iraq on Oct. 15 held a constitutional referendum, and on Dec. 15 held elections for a full-term government.

    For the first time since the insurgency took hold in Iraq in midsummer 2003, Rumsfeld was spending the night in the country. He previously had made Iraq day trips but spent the night in other countries in the region.

    In
    Afghanistanearlier Thursday, military officials said they were progressing toward eliminating the Taliban resistance and al-Qaida terrorists who continue sporadic violence against U.S. troops.

    But some officers said the hostile forces were making gains by acquiring more advanced weaponry, such as armor-piercing munitions, and improving their training and organization.

    Asked whether conditions in southern Afghanistan are more dangerous than earlier in the conflict, Capt. Matthew Harmon, commander of headquarters company, 1st Battalion, 3rd Special Forces Group, said in an interview, "That's a very fair assessment." Harmon is serving his fourth tour in Afghanistan.

    Capt. Chris Sample said the 1st Battalion had engaged in 88 firefights in the past six months. That is more than in its three previous Afghanistan deployments combined, he said. There also has been a recent increase in vehicle-borne suicide bombers, he said.
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  • #2
    I don't think that the approval here has anything to do with the number of dead and wounded US soldiers..

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    • #3
      I don't think it's being done over approval. It's not like Bush is running for office again.
      Way to keep your perspective though.
      Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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      • #4
        I still think it's a joke that there's more US troops in Iraq now than 3 almost years ago when they invaded...
        Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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        • #5
          You're right. More should have been sent initially, and sand pounded up some ass.
          At any rate, once again evidence is supplied by ACS Einstein's that it doesn't matter what is done, whining will always be a response.
          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SlowwHand
            You're right. More should have been sent initially, and sand pounded up some ass.
            Well if you can admit that glaring failure by your govt, then why not go the whole hog and admit that this whole Iraq debacle was perhaps one of the worst strategic mistakes in US military history...

            At any rate, once again evidence is supplied by ACS Einstein's that it doesn't matter what is done, whining will always be a response.
            You're right, it doesn't matter because your govt (aided and abetted by mine) have ****ed things up so royally that even the best case scenarios are increasingly looking like total disasters...
            Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MOBIUS
              I still think it's a joke that there's more US troops in Iraq now than 3 almost years ago when they invaded...
              actually, it makes perfect sense, since policing and holding ground is a much bigger manpower gobbler, than assaulting and attacking.

              On topic: it's a stupid decision - Iraq should be getting more troops, not less. And they should be much more active on their assignments.
              urgh.NSFW

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Az
                actually, it makes perfect sense, since policing and holding ground is a much bigger manpower gobbler, than assaulting and attacking.
                Exactly, which is why they should have been immediately on hand but weren't for at least a year or so - another gross mistake by the Bush govt...

                And yes I think it is a mistake to remove them now - they tried to do it before and it blew up in their face (literally!).
                Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                • #9
                  So this is the temperary 20k troops sent there for the election going home? Makes sense since the election is over.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Oerdin
                    So this is the temperary 20k troops sent there for the election going home? Makes sense since the election is over.
                    No. Its another 2 brigades, which had been scheduled to go to Iraq in the Spring, but wont. One is in Kuwait, IIUC, and will presumably stay in Kuwait. The other will stay in CONUS. The numbers arent absolutely clear - I presume folks know how many troops there are in a brigade, but i guess there are associated support people as well, on the one hand, and on the other i heard somewhere they may send some of the officers from one of the brigade to Iraq to serve as advisors to Iraqi forces. Number Ive heard was about 7,000. So we go from the election peak of 159,000 to 138,000, and then down to 131,000 with the spring rotation.
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                    • #11
                      OK. They've been saying there will be a big draw down by next summer due to Republicans in Congress virtually pissing themselves when they see how unpopular the war has become. They've been pressuring the administration to make sure the numbers are slashed before next year's midterm elections.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Oerdin
                        OK. They've been saying there will be a big draw down by next summer due to Republicans in Congress virtually pissing themselves when they see how unpopular the war has become. They've been pressuring the administration to make sure the numbers are slashed before next year's midterm elections.
                        some have been saying there will be a big drawdown. Others have been saying the drawdown should be limited, so that the training of Iraqi forces leads to a large net increase in coalition combat power, and not just to Iraqis replacing US troops. The admin hasnt said what they'll cut in the next rotation after this spring - I presume thats still before the November election. Officially they will look to see what the situation on the ground in Iraq is - i suppose one could suggest that they will look to see how much the initial withdrawl has impacted the political scene. I suspect the political scene will be driven less by the number of US troops in Iraq than by the level of casualties, which will be determined by how those troops are deployed and used.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SlowwHand
                          I don't think it's being done over approval. It's not like Bush is running for office again.
                          Way to keep your perspective though.
                          2006 elections...
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • #14
                            SAVA wins!

                            round 2...

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                            • #15
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