ANWR is now officially screwed...

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Odin


ANWR is an very important birthing area for the caribou, that's why it is more important than other areas. Caribou tend to stay away from oil instalations, so puting them in ANWAR will mess up the caribou population.

prove it, and not by using a wikipedia citation.

[snoopy369]

Aww, poor caribou.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Flubber


There's no getting it over with quickly-- It will take years and years of drilling to determine what if anything is up there and this can only come about after some modern seismic is performed.

I believe lake bottom dynamiting is currently the preferred method

sure, I meant start the process, I know it will take quite some time to get it up and running.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
prove it, and not by using a wikipedia citation.

Lets run some big-arse pipes through your house and see how much you like it.

[Kuciwalker]

His house is probably just a tad smaller than the Caribous'.

[Kuciwalker]

Oh, and have you noticed these big things called power lines?

[Odin]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel


not by using a wikipedia citation.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Oh, and have you noticed these big things called power lines?

Their diameters aren't measured in metres.

Regardless, a lot of people don't even like high voltage power lines going over their houses.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I'm just curious where ZOMFG THINK OF THE CARIBOU comes from when we have examples of oil projects that don't seem to have destroyed the Alaskan wilderness. The pipeline analogy was just a convenient example. I could just as easily asked about projects in Alberta.

ANWR is one of the last mostly-untouched, unspoiled places left in North America. It has intrinsic value in and of itself. Nevermind that there isn't bloody likely to be enough oil there to make any meaningful dent in the US' demand for the resource. This is an indirect corporate handout, nothing more nothing less.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Nevermind that there isn't bloody likely to be enough oil there to make any meaningful dent in the US' demand for the resource.

That's the main thing.

Drilling ANWR won't net you much - better off using double-paned windows - and the place gets wrecked.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Odin

see, if I were on your side, I would have responded thusly:

In the words of Wesley Willis, RIP, "suck a caribou's ass"

[Flubber]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel


sure, I meant start the process, I know it will take quite some time to get it up and running.

Think probably 15 years unless the state of information is better than I think it is

Year 1-- OMFG we can go in there

year 2 -- regional 2 dimensional seismic

Year 3 or 4-- 3D seismic over specific targets

Year 5 Drill expoloration wells


Years 6-8-- Drill delineation wells to assess any discoveries

Year 9-- OMFG it looks like it might be worthwhile

Year 10-- begin regulatory approval process

years 11-14-- Regulatory approvals, building roads and camps, pipelines and drilling exploration wells

Year 15 Production ??

Even this timeline is somewhat optimistic since it presumes an early find. They could drill for a few years before finding anything significant

** Note the timelines above assume that companies are required to follow rules similar to current practice in the north which only allow winter drilling and targets are at similar depths to what I have previously seen in the north such that a rig might conceivably drill at most 2 wells per season. In addition current practice is that exploration holes are drilled to be abandoned as they typically do not have the proper casing to be used as producers .


So in 15 years you might get 1 project moving but that would likely be minor quantities and the reality is that there might have to be 3-4 major finds for it to be worthwhile to build the necessary infrastructure

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


That's the main thing.

Drilling ANWR won't net you much - better off using double-paned windows - and the place gets wrecked.

*glances at double paned windows in bedroom*

Nope...still need more oil.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs


ANWR is one of the last mostly-untouched, unspoiled places left in North America.

As opposed to, say, most of northern Canada?

Of course ANWR is unique. Any locale is "unique" if defined narrowly enough.

[Sava]

Originally posted by The Mad Monk



Nope...still need more oil.

And there isn't enough in ANWAR to make a difference... (with regards to our dependence on foreign oil)

So basically, we will be causing environmental damage to an area and we will see no significant benefit.

But hey, causing environmental damage is enough of a reason to do anything for Republicans!

It's not that we need more oil... it's that we need to USE IT MORE EFFICIENTLY.



But the problem with energy efficiency is, oil companies' profits will go down. AND WE CAN'T HAVE THAT NOW CAN WE?!?!?