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    Senate Rejects Extension of Patriot Act

    By JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer 33 minutes ago

    The Senate on Friday rejected attempts to reauthorize several provisions of the USA Patriot Act as infringing too much on Americans' privacy and liberty, dealing a huge defeat to the Bush administration and Republican leaders.

    In a crucial vote early Friday, the bill's Senate supporters were not able to get the 60 votes needed to overcome a threatened filibuster by Sens. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., and Larry Craig, R-Idaho, and their allies. The final vote was 52-47.

    President Bush, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Republicans congressional leaders had lobbied fiercely to make most of the expiring Patriot Act provisions permanent, and add new safeguards and expiration dates to the two most controversial parts: roving wiretaps and secret warrants for books, records and other items from businesses, hospitals and organizations such as libraries.

    Feingold, Craig and other critics said that wasn't enough, and have called for the law to be extended in its present form so they can continue to try and add more civil liberties safeguards. But Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and House Speaker Dennis Hastert have said they won't accept a short-term extension of the law.

    If a compromise is not reached, the 16 Patriot Act provisions expire on Dec. 31.

    Frist changed his vote at the last moment after seeing the critics would win. He decided to vote with the prevailing side so he could call for a new vote at any time. He immediately objected to an offer of a short term extension from Democrats, saying the House won't approve it and the president won't sign it.

    "We have more to fear from terrorism than we do from this Patriot Act," Frist warned.

    If the Patriot Act provisions expire, Republicans say they will place the blame on Democrats in next year's midterm elections. "In the war on terror, we cannot afford to be without these vital tools for a single moment," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said. "The time for Democrats to stop standing in the way has come."

    But the Patriot Act's critics got a boost from a New York Times report saying Bush authorized the National Security Agency to monitor the international phone calls and international e-mails of hundreds — perhaps thousands — of people inside the United States. Previously, the NSA typically limited its domestic surveillance to foreign embassies and missions and obtained court orders for such investigations.

    "I don't want to hear again from the attorney general or anyone on this floor that this government has shown it can be trusted to use the power we give it with restraint and care," said Feingold, the only senator to vote against the Patriot Act in 2001.

    "It is time to have some checks and balances in this country," shouted Sen. Patrick Leahy (news, bio, voting record), ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee. "We are more American for doing that."
    link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216/...co/patriot_act

    Bill Frist wags his finger in opposition! (although he looks kind of confused)


    Russ Feingold

    Larry Craig
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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            • #7
              So, if you oppose the Patriot Act, how do you propose we find terrorist hiding in this country?

              It's all well and good to throw out the Patriot Act if you deem it a violation of civil liberties, but what do you propose we replace it with that will respect civil liberties and protect us against terrorists?
              'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
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              • #8
                a sensible foreign policy?

                civil liberties
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                • #9
                  who cares about terrorists? They pose no threat to the U.S. Car crashes are far more deadly.

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                  • #10
                    Senate Rejects Extension of Patriot Act!
                    if you want to stop terrorism; stop participating in it

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The diplomat
                      So, if you oppose the Patriot Act, how do you propose we find terrorist hiding in this country?

                      It's all well and good to throw out the Patriot Act if you deem it a violation of civil liberties, but what do you propose we replace it with that will respect civil liberties and protect us against terrorists?
                      Existing law?
                      Provisions to the act that protect civil liberties?
                      Common sense?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dis
                        who cares about terrorists? They pose no threat to the U.S. Car crashes are far more deadly.
                        You can't be serious? Have you forgotten 9-11 so soon?
                        'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The diplomat


                          You can't be serious? Have you forgotten 9-11 so soon?
                          airline security is a different beast than spying on people.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The diplomat
                            You can't be serious? Have you forgotten 9-11 so soon?
                            You're taking his statement seriously?
                            The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                            The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DRoseDARs
                              Existing law?
                              Provisions to the act that protect civil liberties?
                              Common sense?
                              Explain!

                              How does existing law help us fight terrorism, it obviously wasn't good enough prior to 9-11?

                              How does adding provisions that protect civil liberties but
                              make it harder to find terrorists, help us fight terrorism?

                              How does common sense help us fight terrorism?
                              'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
                              G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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