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    Somebody say "opps".

    Official: Al-Zarqawi mistakenly released in Iraq

    Troops reportedly detained terror mastermind but didn't know his identity

    BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi security forces caught terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in the Fallujah area last year but released him because they didn’t realize who he was, the deputy interior minister said in an interview broadcast Friday.

    The deputy minister, Maj. Gen. Hussein Kamal, told the Lebanese Broadcasting Corp., that Iraqi police “suspected this man” and detained him “along with other members” of his group.

    “Afterward, he was released because we did not know the identity of this criminal,” Kamal told LBC. The station said the remarks were made Wednesday but were aired Friday.

    “He was not armed,” Kamal said. “He was like any other citizen who was suspected. There was a simple interrogation with him and he was released.”

    Kamal said the incident occurred “about a year ago, approximately.” U.S. forces overran Fallujah in November 2004, ending domination of the city by insurgents and Islamic extremists, including al-Zarqawi’s al-Qaida in Iraq group.

    Thousands of people were rounded up after the city fell. Most were interrogated and released.

    Missed opportunities
    CNN broadcast a similar report late Thursday, but it could not be confirmed. But a U.S. official said in Washington that American intelligence believed it was plausible. The official spoke on condition of anonymity in compliance with office policy.

    There have been several reports of missed opportunities to capture al-Zarqawi, including an April 28 raid by U.S. forces acting on a tip from local informants that militants reportedly including the terror leader were hiding in a hospital in Ramadi.

    Al-Qaida in Iraq and Iraqi officials also denied reports last month that al-Zarqawi was among those killed in a raid and gunfight in the northern city of Mosul.

    Al-Zarqawi, who has claimed responsibility for several attacks in Iraq along with the kidnappings and beheadings of foreigners, has a $25 million bounty on his head.

    He also drew criticism in his home country of Jordan after his insurgent group claimed responsibility for the deadly Nov. 9 attacks on hotels in Amman.

    Jordan sentenced al-Zarqawi to death in absentia for planning a terror plot that led to the 2002 killing of U.S. aid worker Laurence Foley. He has claimed responsibility for several other plots in Jordan, including a foiled April 2004 chemical attack.
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  • #2
    the Iraqi forces in Dec of 2004 were still of very limited competence. Apparently somehow whatever was to be used to ID Zarq (hes not exactly a household face, is he?) wasnt distributed to every IRaqi unit (whose job was that at the time - the Iraqi Def Ministry? Centcom?) And amidst the thousands of folks in Fallujah, NOT all of whom were detained, unless there was real reason to think they were insurgents, despite what some have said about mass sweeps - Zarq got away.

    How is this surprising?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by lord of the mark
      the Iraqi forces in Dec of 2004 were still of very limited competence. Apparently somehow whatever was to be used to ID Zarq (hes not exactly a household face, is he?)
      Yes he is.
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      • #4
        well that the people making the interrogations don't have the pictures of 25$ mil bounty somewhere around the office, and are not familiar with them ... on the other hand, perhaps his friends in the police let him go and now they are staging it as a case of "missed identity". IMO #2 is much more likely.
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        • #5
          This doesn't surprise me. It's unfortunate, of course, but isn't one of the key advantages to running this sort of insurgency/whateveryouwannacalit that you can "blend in" with the civilian population when you're not actively blowing things up?

          It's certainly an "oops" but it's understandable, IMO.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KrazyHorse


            Yes he is.
            Pic, then.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
              well that the people making the interrogations
              what interrogations? These were ordinary combat soldiers (IIUC) sweeping up everybody on the street. If you werent armed, and didnt appear to have been involved in fighting, they let you go. Youve got a city with thousands of armed men (who have gun powder detritus, etc, even if theyve tossed their guns) several hundred to thousands of civilians, and MAYBE one mastermind whose not carrying a weapon. You find ten guys cowering in various spots. None are armed or have signs of gunpowder etc. Do you send everyone back to be interrogated? Maybe they should have, but apparently they did not.
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              • #8
                There were posters of this guy every where.
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                • #9


                  It's even still on the first page.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lord of the mark


                    what interrogations? These were ordinary combat soldiers (IIUC) sweeping up everybody on the street. If you werent armed, and didnt appear to have been involved in fighting, they let you go. Youve got a city with thousands of armed men (who have gun powder detritus, etc, even if theyve tossed their guns) several hundred to thousands of civilians, and MAYBE one mastermind whose not carrying a weapon. You find ten guys cowering in various spots. None are armed or have signs of gunpowder etc. Do you send everyone back to be interrogated? Maybe they should have, but apparently they did not.
                    let's put it this way, would you recognize Bush if he was in a crowd of civilians?

                    Most likely, I only assume that the people who were the "soldiers" or whatever knew rather well who the 25 mil bounty dude is. Besides that Oerdin says that his "posters" were everywhere anyhow. Is it that hard to imagine that the insurgents or "terrorists" have quite some support in the army.
                    Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave


                      let's put it this way, would you recognize Bush if he was in a crowd of civilians?

                      Most likely, I only assume that the people who were the "soldiers" or whatever knew rather well who the 25 mil bounty dude is. Besides that Oerdin says that his "posters" were everywhere anyhow. Is it that hard to imagine that the insurgents or "terrorists" have quite some support in the army.
                      Im sure there has been infiltration of Iraqi forces. But if theres no other explanation, why would they make this public before theyve arrested the turncoats? Wouldnt this give away that they know not only that there are turncoats, but even which unit theyre in? If they have arrested some turncoats, wouldnt they announce that too? Somethings not complete here.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Iraqi forces hard at work.

                        Originally posted by Oerdin
                        Somebody say "opps".
                        Ooopsy indeed



                        Edit. oh, DD beat me to it.
                        Blah

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by lord of the mark


                          Pic, then.


                          I've seen this one at least a hundred times.
                          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                          Stadtluft Macht Frei
                          Killing it is the new killing it
                          Ultima Ratio Regum

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                          • #14
                            How many threads do we need on this?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KrazyHorse




                              I've seen this one at least a hundred times.
                              you'll pardon me, but lots of middle eastern men look like that. Suppose hed shaved, or whatever, he might not be that recognizable. Anyway, I still think theres more this than weve heard so far.
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