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  • Polls open as blast hits Baghdad

    By Gideon Long
    1 hour, 32 minutes ago

    BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqis began voting on Thursday for their first four-year parliament since the fall of
    Saddam Hussein, with young and old walking to polling sites as a blast echoed across central Baghdad shortly after the start.

    It was not clear what caused the explosion, but it sounded like a mortar round aimed toward the Green Zone compound in the capital, where the Iraqi government is based and where senior politicians began voting.

    There was also an explosion in Ramadi, a city west of the capital where the insurgency is strong, and a mortar round landed near Tikrit, Saddam's home town. But overall, voting appeared to begin in a secure, if tense, atmosphere.

    "Life has got to get better, we can't go on like this," said one young man, the first to vote at a polling station inside a school in Baghdad's Karrada district.

    In Kirkuk, an ethnically mixed city north of the capital, around 50 people in traditional Kurdish clothing held flowers as they queued to wait for the polling station to open.

    Some 15 million Iraqis are eligible to cast ballots in an election which many hope will end decades of suffering, lift living standards and pave the way for a withdrawal of the U.S.- led forces which toppled Saddam in April 2003.

    While the vote doesn't carry the same historic weight as a poll in January --
    Iraq's first democratic election in 50 years -- this ballot carries much more significance as it ushers in a four-year parliament and a long-term government.

    From the Gulf to the mountainous borders of Turkey and
    Iran, voters will file to more than 6,000 polling stations, ink their fingers to guard against multiple voting and drop their votes into plastic ballot boxes.

    Security is tight. About 150,000 Iraqi soldiers and police officers will be on the streets to prevent the suicide bombings and shootings which killed around 40 people on polling day at the January 30 election.

    Nearly 160,000 U.S. soldiers are on hand to support Iraq's security forces, and although they aim to keep their distance from polling booths, they will intervene if needed.

    U.S.
    President George W. Bushtook the blame for going to war in Iraq over faulty intelligence but said he was right to topple Saddam and urged Americans to be patient as Iraqis vote.

    "We are in Iraq today because our goal has always been more than the removal of a brutal dictator," he said, hours before polling stations opened.

    MIDDLE EAST

    Al Qaeda and other Islamist militant groups have vowed to disrupt the vote but their statements have been more muted in tone than in January, and the run-up to the election has, by Iraq's blood-soaked standards, been calm.

    "There is a quiet confidence that things are going to go well," U.N. envoy to Iraq Ashraf Qazi told Reuters on the eve of a poll which the U.N. and Washington hope will serve as an example to other Middle East states.

    Despite voters having to walk to vote for security, turnout is expected to be high -- perhaps 70 to 80 percent compared with 59 percent in January and 64 percent in October's referendum on a new constitution.

    There are no reliable opinion polls but observers expect the United Iraqi Alliance (UIA), a grouping of Islamist parties within the current coalition government, to win the most votes.

    Its share is expected to fall, however, from the 48 percent it won in January to perhaps about 40 percent.

    The Kurds, the second biggest bloc in parliament, are predicted to win about 25 percent of the vote, and will be pushed hard for second place by former Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, whose broad coalition took 14 percent in January but is expected to make ground.

    The January ballot was for an interim government charged with overseeing the drafting of a constitution. The charter, approved in a vote in October, paved the way for this week's full-scale parliamentary election.

    The big difference from January is that this time, the Sunni Arab minority is largely planning to vote.

    Most Sunni Arabs boycotted the last election, partly from fear they would be killed if they did so, and partly from anger with a system they felt would marginalise their community, which was dominant under Saddam for decades.

    Many Sunni leaders now acknowledge that as a mistake and are urging their followers to come out in force to eat into the votes of the UIA and Kurds.

    The election is for 275 members of parliament. Most of the seats are allocated on the basis of the population in Iraq's 18 provinces but, under a complex system of proportional representation, 40 seats will be set aside for some of the smaller parties in the contest.

    Shi'ites, who make up about 60 percent of Iraq's population of 27 million, are likely to dominate the vote in the southern provinces, while Sunnis are strong in the west and central regions. The Kurds have strength in the northeast.

    (Additional reporting by Michael Georgy in Baghdad, Aref Mohammed in Kirkuk, Ammar al-Alwani in Ramadi and Baghdad bureau)
    In the USA, the birthplace of Democracy, we're lucky if we get 15% out to vote. That's driving at most 1 mile in at worst conditions, rain. As in water, not mortars.
    Also significant is the female vote.

    What does Iraq need to do? Set up 3 provinces? Continue as is?
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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    In the USA, the birthplace of Democracy, we're lucky if we get 15% out to vote


    Voter turnout to presidential elections is somewhere around 50%, on average.
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    • #3
      I hate it that foreigners have to correct some of my countrymen on the details of our own government

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      • #4
        Elections. I've yet to be corrected.
        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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        • #5
          Elections are part of our government, I hope.

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          • #6
            Turn out will be high when there are fake ballots.

            Report of forged ballots shakes Iraq before vote

            As Iraq was preparing to hold momentous national elections on Thursday, official investigations into reports that the Iraqi border police had seized a tanker truck that crossed from Iran filled with thousands of forged ballots got under way.

            Interior Ministry and security officials disclosed the incident. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

            A security official said the truck was seized Tuesday in the border town of Badra, about 150 kilometers, or 100 miles, southeast of Baghdad.

            The Interior Ministry's inquiry into the incident began Wednesday amid conflicting statements by the Iraqi authorities.

            The head of Iraq's border guards, Lieutenant General Ahmed al-Khafaji, denied the reports.

            "This is all a lie," said Khafaji, the chief of the U.S.-trained force that is responsible for the security of all Iraqi borders. "I heard this yesterday and I checked all the border crossings right away. The borders are all closed anyway.

            "I contacted all the border crossing points and there was no report of any such incident."

            The deputy interior minister, Major General Ali Ghalib, said the ministry "has not been able to confirm the reports."

            Iraq's frontiers are closed for the national elections. Campaigning came to a stop Wednesday to give the 15 million voters an opportunity to reflect before deciding who will govern their country for the next four years.

            Streets in Baghdad were uncharacteristically quiet, and the police strictly enforced a traffic ban. Only the noise from an occasional police siren, sporadic gunshots or a U.S. helicopter could be heard. In addition to the borders, airports have also been closed, and a nighttime curfew has been extended.

            The tanker was seized Tuesday evening by agents with the U.S.-trained border protection force after crossing at Munthirya on the Iraqi border, the security official said. According to one Iraqi official, the border police found several thousand partly completed ballots inside.

            The official said the Iranian truck driver had told the police under interrogation that at least three other trucks filled with ballots had crossed from Iran at different spots along the border.

            "The search is still under way for the other trucks," he said. "All the trucks carry Iraqi plates."

            Golfing since 67

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kuciwalker
              Elections are part of our government, I hope.
              urgh.NSFW

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              • #8
                the high turnout reports are not based on numbers of ballots, but on the number of individuals who arrived at the polls.
                "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                • #9
                  Re: Polls open as blast hits Baghdad

                  Originally posted by SlowwHand
                  In the USA, the birthplace of Democracy
                  Hmmmm.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lord of the mark
                    the high turnout reports are not based on numbers of ballots, but on the number of individuals who arrived at the polls.
                    When people rig votes they tend to claim a person voted for each fake ballot added.
                    Golfing since 67

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                    • #11
                      oh please, not a long threadjack about the birthplace of democracy, featuring discussions of Andrew Jackson, the French Revolution, the Reform Act of 1830, slavery,etc. A pointless discussion, I suspect. Put it in a different thread, if you must have it.
                      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tingkai


                        When people rig votes they tend to claim a person voted for each fake ballot added.
                        the reports of high turnouts are coming from reporters on the scene, independent bloggers, etc.

                        In any case the Iraqi security forces were in on the seizure of the Iranian fake ballots. If the Iraqi Elections Council were in on rigging the election, would the Iraqi forces have really seized the fakes? Doesnt make sense.
                        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                        • #13
                          Just because there are long line ups doesn't mean that there will be a high turnout in the end.

                          News reports on the previous election said there was a high turnout, 58% and yet, independent monitors said that number could not be confirmed independently and the reported turnout in some areas of something like 99% was too good to be true.

                          Of course the national election council wouldn't be in on the rigging. The rigging would be done in predominately Sunni areas where the system could be rigged at the local level.
                          Golfing since 67

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Tingkai
                            Just because there are long line ups doesn't mean that there will be a high turnout in the end.

                            News reports on the previous election said there was a high turnout, 58% and yet, independent monitors said that number could not be confirmed independently and the reported turnout in some areas of something like 99% was too good to be true.

                            Of course the national election council wouldn't be in on the rigging. The rigging would be done in predominately Sunni areas where the system could be rigged at the local level.
                            But the turn out reports are from IECI, the election council, IIUC.

                            IIUC the 99% turnout reports were never proven to be false. Nor the 60% or so nationwide turnout.


                            And of course I dont know what the turnout will end up being. I merely passed on the reports of high turnout, long lines. Which YOU chose to intrepret as being connected with the smuggling of fake ballots from Iran. and again, i still dont see why the govt would have seized those ballots.

                            Look, Im from Brooklyn. I can readily accept the notion of vote fraud, buts its got to be done in ways that make logical sense.
                            "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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