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    IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER? By Richard Reeves
    Fri Dec 2, 8:13 PM ET

    PARIS -- President John F. Kennedy was considered a historian because of his book "Profiles in Courage," so he received periodic requests to rate the presidents, those lists that usually begin "1. Lincoln, 2. Washington ..."

    But after he actually became president himself, he stopped filling them out.

    "No one knows what it's like in this office," he said after being in the job. "Even with poor James Buchanan, you can't understand what he did and why without sitting in his place, looking at the papers that passed on his desk, knowing the people he talked with."

    Poor James Buchanan, the 15th president, is generally considered the worst president in history. Ironically, the Pennsylvania Democrat, elected in 1856, was one of the most qualified of the 43 men who have served in the highest office. A lawyer, a self-made man, Buchanan served with some distinction in the House, served as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and secretary of state under President James K. Polk. He had a great deal to do with the United States becoming a continental nation -- "Manifest Destiny," war with Mexico, and all that. He was also ambassador to Great Britain and was offered a seat on the Supreme Court three separate times.

    But he was a confused, indecisive president, who may have made the Civil War inevitable by trying to appease or negotiate with the South. His most recent biographer, Jean Clark, writing for the prestigious American Presidents Series, concluded this year that his actions probably constituted treason. It also did not help that his administration was as corrupt as any in history, and he was widely believed to be homosexual.

    Whatever his sexual preferences, his real failures were in refusing to move after South Carolina announced secession from the Union and attacked Fort Sumter, and in supporting both the legality of the pro-slavery constitution of Kansas and the Supreme Court ruling in the Dred Scott class declaring that escaped slaves were not people but property.

    He was the guy who in 1861 passed on the mess to the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln. Buchanan set the standard, a tough record to beat. But there are serious people who believe that George W. Bush will prove to do that, be worse than Buchanan. I have talked with three significant historians in the past few months who would not say it in public, but who are saying privately that Bush will be remembered as the worst of the presidents.

    There are some numbers. The History News Network at George Mason University has just polled historians informally on the Bush record. Four hundred and fifteen, about a third of those contacted, answered -- maybe they were all crazed liberals -- making the project as unofficial as it was interesting. These were the results: 338 said they believed Bush was failing, while 77 said he was succeeding. Fifty said they thought he was the worst president ever. Worse than Buchanan.

    This is what those historians said -- and it should be noted that some of the criticism about deficit spending and misuse of the military came from self-identified conservatives -- about the Bush record:


    He has taken the country into an unwinnable war and alienated friend and foe alike in the process;


    He is bankrupting the country with a combination of aggressive military spending and reduced taxation of the rich;


    He has deliberately and dangerously attacked separation of church and state;


    He has repeatedly "misled," to use a kind word, the American people on affairs domestic and foreign;


    He has proved to be incompetent in affairs domestic (New Orleans) and foreign ( Iraq and the battle against al-Qaida);


    He has sacrificed American employment (including the toleration of pension and benefit elimination) to increase overall productivity;


    He is ignorantly hostile to science and technological progress;


    He has tolerated or ignored one of the republic's oldest problems, corporate cheating in supplying the military in wartime.

    Quite an indictment. It is, of course, too early to evaluate a president. That, historically, takes decades, and views change over times as results and impact become more obvious. Besides, many of the historians note that however bad Bush seems, they have indeed since worse men around the White House. Some say Buchanan. Many say Vice President Dick Cheney.
    What do people think? Is GWB heading down that path for that title or is there still a lot to be seen?
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    worser than Buchanan
    38.89%
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    betterer than Buchanan, but not by much
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    far betterer than Buchanan
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    the bestest president evah!
    5.56%
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    a banana
    33.33%
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  • #2
    Bush isn't a genocidial maniac. He loses.
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    • #3
      Can't really judge until 2 terms out of office, unless you do something monumentally bad, like get the country blown up. Bush still has three years to do that.
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      • #4
        I voted.

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        • #5
          Way too soon to tell. If Iraq and Afganistan become functioning democracies and democracy spreads to the rest of the middle east, and Bin Laden is caught/killed and Al Queda dismantled, and no more acts of terrorism occur in the US, then I think history will judge Bush quite favorably.

          If Iraq and/or Afganistan decend into civil war, Al Quieda gains strength and there is another big attack in the US. Then yes, Bush's record doesn't look too good.

          But its just way too soon to tell.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Spiffor
            Bush isn't a genocidial maniac. He loses.
            Which president are you referring to? Jackson?
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            • #7
              it's hard to say Buchanan was really that bad because the whole Civil War thing turned out pretty good... so in the long term, Buchanan did not have that much of a negative effect on the country.

              It's hard to say how bad Bush is going to be for America as far as history goes... he has got to be the worst president in terms of incompetence, cronyism, and general qualifications for the position that I can think of...

              I'm sure other Presidents have been bad, but ineffectual.

              Bush is really screwing up the country and having a significant negative effect on the lives of millions of Americans.

              Although many of our problems can be traced back to Reagan.

              I think I'd probably rank Bush worst, Reagan second worst, then Hoover, Coolidge, and then probably Buchanan
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cyclotron
                Which president are you referring to? Jackson?
                I think he's the one, yes.
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                • #9
                  The Civil War was an accident waiting to happen, as I understand it. Bush might be the worst, but we can all learn from him that there are better ways for nations to rule then force. Maybe then sanity will rule on earth.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sava
                    I think I'd probably rank Bush worst, Reagan second worst, then Hoover, Coolidge, and then probably Buchanan
                    Coolidge?

                    Why would you throw Coolidge in there?
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                    • #11
                      Well, Buchanan was incompetent and looked like a cockatiel. Bush is incompetent and looks like a chimp. Cockatiels are prettier and nicer, but then chimps look funnier when dressed up and posed for photographs. It's too close to call, really.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Spiffor
                        Bush isn't a genocidial maniac. He loses.
                        QFT. Jackson was worse.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Spiffor
                          I think he's the one, yes.
                          It's not an entirely fair characterization. While he did pass the Indian Removal Act, it was the guy after him, Martin van Buren, who was president during the Trail of Tears. While certainly a racist, most Americans shared his views at the time. He was hardly a genocidal maniac.
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