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    An interesting case is coming to the SCotUS this week. Several Ivy League Law Schools in the US have stopped assisting US military recruiters because they claim the military's policy of dishonorably discharging gay people is an act of discrimination. The military has responded by having right wing Congressmen write a bill which would cut off all government education funds to schools which don't fully co-operate with military recruiters.

    Clash over military recruiters on campus
    High court must decide if schools can discriminate against military if it discriminates against gays.

    By Warren Richey | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

    WASHINGTON - Less than a week after it heard arguments in an abortion notification case, the US Supreme Court Tuesday takes up another hot-button issue in the nation's culture wars. This time it involves law-school protests designed to end discrimination against gays in the military.

    At the center of the legal showdown: to what extent military recruiters should have access to law school campuses. The case involves conflicting conceptions of free speech. It also could erode some civil rights laws, which use federal funding to encourage nondiscrimination.

    On one side of the current case are a group of law professors and law schools seeking equal treatment of gays interested in serving the nation as members of the armed forces. In protest of the Pentagon's "don't ask, don't tell" policy banning openly gay individuals from the military, the law schools restricted military recruiters from fully participating in school-sponsored employment events.

    Military recruiters could still come to campuses, but the law schools' employment placement offices would not assist them. The message was that the schools would not abet military discrimination against some of their own students.

    Congress and the Pentagon responded to the law schools' restrictions by passing the Solomon Amendment. It threatens to cut off federal funding to any college or university that does not provide military recruiters the same access to law students as it does to any other potential employer.

    Such a sanction would cost Yale and Harvard universities $300 million a year each in lost federal grants and contracts, according to briefs in the case. New York University would lose $130 million. Overall, universities receive nearly $35 billion a year in federal funding.

    Concerned about the potential impact, the law schools and law professors formed the Forum for Academic and Institutional Rights and filed suit against Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other government officials.

    Rumsfeld v. FAIR is significant because it involves Congress's constitutional authority to raise and support American armed forces at a time of national peril. It also pits Congress's constitutional power to use federal funding as an incentive against the First Amendment right of law schools and law professors to wage protests without facing massive government coercion and retaliation.

    Government lawyers argue that the Solomon Amendment is not a direct command that law schools abandon their protests against military recruiters. It is merely a common-sense condition upon which any donor would insist, they say.

    "The United States makes available substantial federal funding that assists in the education of students, and in return seeks only the same opportunity to recruit those students that is extended to other employers," writes Solicitor General Paul Clement in his brief to the court.

    In effect, the government is placing a price tag on the law school protests. Continue the protests and forfeit the money, or accept the money and allow military recruiters equal access.

    Lawyers for the law schools say this demand amounts to unconstitutional government-coerced speech. If the law school's policy is to only deal with those recruiters who sign a nondiscrimination pledge, the government's condition for receipt of federal funding is a demand not for equal treatment of recruiters but for exceptional treatment for a discriminatory employer.

    "It is a demand that a law school accord the military 'most-favored-recruiter' status, even as the recruiters discriminate against the school's own students," writes E. Joshua Rosenkranz in his brief on behalf of the law schools.

    In addition to the free-speech implications, the case is also being closely watched because how the high court resolves the dispute could undercut civil rights laws. Several statutes rely on the threat to withdraw federal funding as leverage to encourage recipients not to discriminate on the basis of race, gender, age, or disability, among others. A broad ruling in favor of the law schools could place some of those laws in constitutional doubt, analysts say.

    The law schools' First Amendment case is weak, says Daniel Polsby, dean of George Mason University School of Law. He says the Solomon Amendment is a regulation of behavior, not speech. "The government doesn't care about what positions anyone is taking. The Solomon Amendment leaves the schools free to teach what they want to teach, it leaves the professors free to say what they want to say," Professor Polsby says. "All it says is we don't want you to Jim Crow our recruiters anymore. Let them in the same way you let in hundreds of other recruiters and treat them the same way."

    Yale Law School Professor William Eskridge disagrees. He says his school's stand against discrimination sends an important message to gay students on campus that they are fully accepted members of the Yale community. The Solomon Amendment undermines that message, he says.

    He says conditioning the entire university's receipt of $300 million in federal funding upon the actions of the law school is like withholding someone's Medicare payment because of what that person's sister says about the government.

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  • #2
    to the universities.

    -Arrian
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    • #3
      It's obviously special treatment, as long as the university would take the same stance against any other donor with similar hiring practices.

      I honestly don't know if the US government is allowed to require special treatment in order to dispense grants. If it isn't, then this should be straightforward.
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      • #4
        If the US Government dispenses the money - then it can write the rules. So far that has pretty much been case law, with a couple of exceptions. However, from a single case concerning our new Chief Justice (on the most recent abortion limitation laws) is any indicator, maybe we can hope for a common sense decision where the College involved gets gigged, but not the entire University. That's why the new law is so punitive - if any College in a Univeristy, say a system with 50,000 students has a semi-independent College with 500 students, and the semi-independent College refuses the Military Recruiters favored access - then the funding is pulled for the entire University. At that level it become disturbing.
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        • #5
          Special privilage. A university should not be forced to violate it's code of conduct to get federal funds. This sets a bad precedent. What's next? Universities getting funding pulled if they have abortion clinics on campus or do stem cell research? I have allways been agianst putting strings on grants to states, educational institution's, etc. It is basically extortion used by the federal government to get around constitutional restrictions on federal power.

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          • #6
            Hmmm... the law schools started this by treating military recruiters different than other recruiters. All the government is asking is that they treat them the same.
            Nobody is saying that the law schools or students can't be against or speak out against the military's policy on gays... I would think that treating ANY recruiter different than others would be a violation of the schools code of conduct.

            I have to agree with the government here. This is not money "owed" to the schools... they are grants and contracts... and the government has every right to determine who gets them. While I don't agree with the Military's policy on gays... the Schools are discriminating against the military by not treating their recruiters the same... Sure, consider it a protest... but then the Government has the same right to protest with their actions.

            Against the military policy on gays... but supporting the government on this one.
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            • #7
              I agree with that analysis... although I approve of the schools taking issue with the military's treatment of homosexuals. They're gonna lose, though.

              -Arrian
              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ming
                Hmmm... the law schools started this by treating military recruiters different than other recruiters. All the government is asking is that they treat them the same.
                They're treating them the same as they would any recruiter for any organisation that has similarly discriminatory hiring practices. If they were treating them differently simply because they were the military then you would have a point.
                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                Killing it is the new killing it
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                • #9
                  Again, I don't know whether this First Amendment argument holds any water.

                  The government may well be allowed to ask for special treatment in return for its money. I don't know.
                  12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                  Stadtluft Macht Frei
                  Killing it is the new killing it
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                  • #10
                    Is it only the law schools that restrict the military recruiters? How many lawyers does the military need? I mean, they make really lousy cannon fodder.
                    "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                    • #11
                      I'm actually writing a paper on this case for one of my classes. The First Amendment case is a bit shaky (mainly because it's difficult to argue that any speech involved), but some of the governments' claims are rather dubious. There is a long history of precedent that says that if the government could not force all colleges to give them full access under the First Amendment, they cannot require such access in exchange for funding that is completely unrelated to military recruiting. That is, the government cannot, in general, condition funding on forfeiture of a constitutional right. A much more extreme example of this would be if Congress passed a law that said government contracts could only be given to businesses whose owners are Republicans. Similarly, the government's claim that they are not requiring special treatment is clearly bogus, since they are requiring the military to be exempted from antidiscrimination policies.

                      Probably the biggest constitutional weakness of the law is that its purpose, as openly stated by its Congressional sponsors, is to punish a viewpoint. This fact means that if the case can be made that the law does actually involve speech at all, it is probably unconstitutional. As I noted above, however, it is very nontrivial to make that case.

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                      • #12
                        I'm torn.

                        On one hand, I think its ridiculous to force law schools to let recruiters in, since I don't view it as necessary for either students to find the JAG or vice versa, but I really really really loathed law school and figure that whatever causes them angst is good for me.

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                        • #13
                          but I would say that I think its annoying that schools would place politics above their students career options. By most measures, a JAG is a good career.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by asleepathewheel
                            but I would say that I think its annoying that schools would place politics above their students career options. By most measures, a JAG is a good career.
                            Tell that to people who can't become one because they are openly gay.

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                            • #15
                              Okay.

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