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    Why did France and Britain declare war on Germany when they invaded Poland, but not on the USSR who also invaded/annexed Poland?
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    Re: Quick WW2 Question

    Originally posted by OzzyKP
    Why did France and Britain declare war on Germany when they invaded Poland, but not on the USSR who also invaded/annexed Poland?
    Because one enemy was enough for them. Or better said, too much for them.
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    • #3
      What was the timing. Didn't Russia invade a week or two later?

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      • #4
        Once the Germans where on the reteat the USSR had carte blanche in the East.

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        • #5
          the rooskies invaded 16 days after the germans and the polish government left the country the same day
          CSPA

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          • #6
            Realistic politics

            Britain and France feared German intentions on their territories to a much greater extent than Russian ones. The Russians could sell their invasion on the theory of preventing Germany taking all of POland and securing themselves better from the german threat.

            I read a book about Churchill where it indicated that he pretty much prayed for a German-Russia conflict to lessen the effort against Britain.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Flubber
              I read a book about Churchill where it indicated that he pretty much prayed for a German-Russia conflict to lessen the effort against Britain.
              Who says prayers aren't answered?

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              • #8
                Could well be, that GB/France only quaranteed Polish independence against the Germans, in writing...

                I've never thought of it, but France and GB ultimately failed to keep their promise. Polish lost their independence for decades, and the war was fought for naught.
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                • #9
                  Re: Quick WW2 Question

                  Originally posted by OzzyKP
                  Why did France and Britain declare war on Germany when they invaded Poland, but not on the USSR who also invaded/annexed Poland?
                  IIRC Churchill initially wanted to declare war on the Soviet Union but cooler heads prevailed and the Anglo-French allies realized that they had their hands full with Germany alone.
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                  • #10
                    French and English just didn't give a **** about the Poles. They were more worried about a resurgent Germany that they would have to face on other, more valuable, fronts later on if they let Germany kep steamrolling.

                    Pretty telling considering how they ****ed over their ally after the war.
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                    • #11
                      wholesale ignorance
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                      • #12
                        Re: Quick WW2 Question

                        Originally posted by OzzyKP
                        Why did France and Britain declare war on Germany when they invaded Poland, but not on the USSR who also invaded/annexed Poland?


                        Soviet Union was not a "European power" the article was designed from informal agrements hurridly put in place as German/polish situatiopn worsened, no one at that time know of the german/Soviet pact that wopuld bring the Soviets into Poland.

                        Heres where you can read the evolution of UK/Polish agreements, my understaning is that the UK had the principle of defending Poland confused with taking on all comers, ie the Uk does not want a German controlled Europe and will resist that with force, but did not *know* that AH had JS with him on taking Poland down.

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                        • #13
                          Churchill wasn't PM in 1939...

                          The war wasn't fought over Poland

                          Armchair historians

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Patroklos
                            French and English just didn't give a **** about the Poles. They were more worried about a resurgent Germany that they would have to face on other, more valuable, fronts later on if they let Germany kep steamrolling.

                            Pretty telling considering how they ****ed over their ally after the war.
                            If they were so worried about Germany why didn't they do anything when they took Austria, or Czechoslovakia, or built up their army, or...
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                            • #15
                              Why did France and Britain declare war on Germany when they invaded Poland, but not on the USSR who also invaded/annexed Poland?
                              Since this is a question which asks about the motives of past goverments (why did/didn't x do y in z), it can only be answered with speculation.

                              My guess is that they really didn't see any reason to declare war against USSR -- the war declaration against Germany in '39 was more an issue of prestige than issue of stopping the conquest of Poland (which wasn't really that much of a democracy) to France and UK. Consider the way how dramatically and suddenly UK tied it's hands with mutual agreements to defend Poland in early '39.

                              Churchill wasn't PM in 1939...
                              Who said he was? Selective reading

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