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    The reports are that this Weds. Bush will pull a 180 degree turn and announce the Us will start pulling out of Iraq. Expect him to claim the Iraqi Security Forces have made such great progress that the US is no longer needed and the pull out can begin. Ignore the fact that just a few weeks ago the Pentigon said the Iraqis only had one operationally ready battalion and that they're no where near ready to stand on their own (this is largely to Bush penny pinching on training Iraqis just like 4 years after the invasion of Afghanistan there isn't an Afghan army worth of being called an army).

    The world is Bush has figured out his poll numbers are in the toilet because of the war and that Republicans are threatening revolt out of fear of losing the 06 and 08 elections due to the continuing failure of the Administration to show any improvement in Iraq. This is a huge failure for the administration but expect them to try to spin this as a success and for the weak minded to believe the spin.

    Bush's Can't-Lose Reversal
    Wednesday's speech will set the agenda for withdrawal from Iraq.
    By Fred Kaplan

    Brace yourself for a mind-bog of sheer cynicism. The discombobulation begins Wednesday, when President George W. Bush is expected to proclaim, in a major speech at the U.S. Naval Academy, that the Iraqi security forces—which only a few months ago were said to have just one battalion capable of fighting on its own—have suddenly made uncanny progress in combat readiness. Expect soon after (if not during the speech itself) the thing that Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have, just this month, denounced as near-treason—a timetable for withdrawal of American troops.

    And so it appears (assuming the forecasts about the speech are true) that the White House is as cynical about this war as its cynical critics have charged it with being. For several months now, many of these critics have predicted that, once the Iraqis passed their constitution and elected a new government, President Bush would declare his mission complete and begin to pull out—this, despite his public pledge to "stay the course" until the insurgents were defeated.

    This theory explains Bush's insistence that the Iraqis draft and ratify the constitution on schedule—even though the rush resulted in a seriously flawed document that's more likely to fracture the country than to unite it. For if the pullout can get under way in the opening weeks of 2006, then the war might be nullified as an issue by the time of our own elections.

    The political beauty of this scenario is that, even if Iraq remains mired in chaos or seems to be hurtling toward civil war, nobody in Congress is going to call for a halt, much less a reversal, of the withdrawal. The Republicans will fall in line; many of them have been nervous that the war's perpetuation, with its rising toll and dim horizons, might cost them their seats. And who among the Democrats will choose to outflank Bush on his right wing and advocate—as some were doing not so long ago—keeping the troops in Iraq for another five or 10 years or even boosting their numbers. (The question is so rhetorical, it doesn't warrant a question mark.)

    In short, Bush could pull a win-win-win out of this shift. He could pre-empt the Democrats' main line of attack against his administration, stave off the prospect of (from the GOP's perspective) disastrous elections in 2006 and '08, and, as a result, bolster his presidency's otherwise dwindling authority within his own party and among the general population.

    The signs are clear, in any case, that a substantial withdrawal—or redeployment—is at hand. Top U.S. military officers have been privately warning for some time that current troop levels in Iraq cannot be sustained for another year or two without straining the Army to the breaking point. Rep. John Murtha's agenda-altering Nov. 17 call for an immediate redeployment was not only a genuine cri de coeur but also, quite explicitly, a public assertion of the military's institutional interests—and an acknowledgment of Congress' electoral interests.

    Murtha wasn't merely advocating redeployment; he was practically announcing it. As he told Tim Russert on the Nov. 20 Meet the Press, "There's nobody that talks to people in the Pentagon more than I do. … We're going to be out of there very quickly, and it's going to be close to the plan that I'm presenting right now."

    If any doubts remained about the administration's coming course, they should have been dispelled on Nov. 22, when Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told CNN, "I suspect that American forces are not going to be needed in the numbers that they are now that much longer." (She repeated the point that same day on Fox News.)

    Lost in this juggernaut toward a new consensus for withdrawal is whether it's the right course to take. I think it is, for many of the same reasons that Murtha, Sen. Joseph Biden (another recent convert), and others have laid out. The most compelling of these reasons is the most strictly pragmatic. As long as American troops stay there in high visibility and large numbers, Iraq will remain a weak, unstable state. The insurgency's ranks will swell with those who are simply opposed to occupation, especially a Christian occupation, with the result that nationalism, sectarianism, and jihadism will converge, to grave consequences for U.S. interests and Middle Eastern stability. Beyond that, Iraqi officials will not take their security responsibilities seriously, knowing that they can lean back on the Americans. As Professor Barry Posen of MIT has put it, the U.S. military presence "infantilizes" Iraqi politics.

    At the same time, the U.S. presence is vital to Iraq's security for now and for several months to come. Juan Cole, a persistent critic of the war and Bush's policies, argues persuasively that an excessively swift or unthinking withdrawal would almost certainly trigger total disorder and possibly a civil war with casualties 10 times greater than the present melee has wreaked.

    President Bush is going to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq. That no longer seems in doubt. The question is: How does he plan to do it? Which troops will come out first? How quickly? Where will they go? Under what circumstances will they be put back in? Which troops will remain, and what will they do? How will they keep a profile low enough to make the Iraqi government seem genuinely autonomous yet high enough to help deter or stave off internal threats? Who will keep the borders secure, a task for which the Iraqi army doesn't even pretend to have the slightest capability? What kinds of diplomatic arrangements will he make with Iraq's neighbors—who have their own conflicting interests in the country's future—to assure an international peace?

    More to the point, does the president have a plan for all this? (The point is far from facetious; it's tragically clear, after all, that he didn't have a plan for how to fight the war if it extended beyond the collapse of Saddam.) Has he entertained these questions, much less devised some shrewd answers? If he's serious about a withdrawal or redeployment that's strategically sensible, as opposed to politically opportune, we should hear about them in his speech Wednesday night.
    Brace yourself for a mind-bog of sheer cynicism. The discombobulation begins Wednesday, when President George W. Bush is expected to proclaim, in a...
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  • #2
    Really? One? It is actually more then that.

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    WASHINGTON - A growing number of Iraqi troop battalions — nearly four dozen as of this week — are playing lead roles in the fight against the insurgency, and American commanders have turned over more than two dozen U.S.-established bases to Iraqi government control, officials said Monday.

    Those are among the signs of progress that the Bush administration is citing as evidence that the Iraqis not only want more responsibility on the security front but are capable of handling it with less assistance from U.S. troops.

    The steps toward lessening the U.S. military role in Iraq come amid mounting political pressure on the Bush administration to reduce the American presence in the face of rising casualties and an unrelenting insurgency.

    President Bush is to give a major speech Wednesday at the U.S. Naval Academy in which administration officials say he is expected to spotlight recent moves toward increasing Iraqi security responsibilities. One recent step was putting Iraqi forces in full control of sections of Baghdad and other cities.

    There are now about 160,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. They have trained and equipped about 212,000 Iraqi security forces, including infantry, commandos, special police battalions and a variety of military support units. The figure is supposed to reach 230,000 by mid-December and top out at 325,000 by July 2007.

    Pentagon officials acknowledge there are significant gaps in the Iraqis' ability to defend their own country. They are unwilling to commit to any specific drawdown of U.S. forces next year, beyond the announced plan to pull back 28,000 troops who were added this fall for extra security during upcoming elections.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #3
      Do you know what the term combat ready means?
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      • #4
        A lessening of US troop strength in Iraq has been planned for a while now. Not exactly news...
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Oerdin
          Do you know what the term combat ready means?
          Do you know what the term "you're wrong, and you are using biased sources" mean?
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Giancarlo
            Do you know what the term "you're wrong, and you are using biased sources" mean?
            The Pentagon is biased about its own poor assessment of the combat readiness of Iraqi troops?
            The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

            The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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            • #7
              Doesn't "giving up the ghost" mean dying?
              Tutto nel mondo è burla

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DRoseDARs


                The Pentagon is biased about its own poor assessment of the combat readiness of Iraqi troops?
                The Pentagon is often contradicting itself, saying one thing one day and another the other. And the Pentagon isn't one person, or one voice.
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #9
                  It is after Rumsfeld gutted it and replaced it with his horde of yes men.
                  We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Giancarlo
                    The Pentagon is often contradicting itself, saying one thing one day and another the other. And the Pentagon isn't one person, or one voice.
                    Originally posted by Ted Striker
                    It is after Rumsfeld gutted it and replaced it with his horde of yes men.
                    Who, incidently, are the ones saying the new Iraqi military is a looong ways off from being combat ready.
                    Last edited by DRoseDARs; November 29, 2005, 03:21.
                    The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                    The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                    • #11
                      Good point
                      We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Boris Godunov
                        Doesn't "giving up the ghost" mean dying?
                        Indeed.
                        He's got the Midas touch.
                        But he touched it too much!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Oerdin
                          Do you know what the term combat ready means?
                          I suspect it means the unit in question is able to fight effectively against units of professionally trained troops in a full-blown war with another nation.

                          Is there another definition?
                          No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                          • #14
                            What exactly would happen, if the army were to reach "breaking point"? Revolt, desertion, coup d'etat?
                            I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Mad Monk


                              I suspect it means the unit in question is able to fight effectively against units of professionally trained troops in a full-blown war with another nation.

                              Is there another definition?
                              To Fez there certainly seems to be.
                              The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                              The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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