Can PeleoConservatives take over the Republican Party?

[Imran Siddiqui]

I find myself disagreeing with the way GWB has gone about his foriegn agenda as well . It's hard to mismanage the Iraq War any more than W has.

Probably should have had democracy take hold in Afghanistan first (which is backsliding).

[GePap]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Which is understandable given that the theory doesn't have much if anything to say about domestic affairs but doesn't enlighten me to the source of the ignorance espoused by the abuse of the term. I'm sure Christopher Hitchens or even Imran to take a more familiar example disagree with much of GWB's domestic agenda.

The term is used because Bush's inner circle is dominated by neo-cons. Therefore the term has been used to peg those people making the decisions currently. Its rather simple.

Besides, neo-con's theory is complex (and probably utterly wrong anyways), and the public simply does not do complex.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I hope they fall upon each other like a pack of wild dogs. Then I hope the Dems masturbate themselves into oblivion. Then the Socialists and the Libertarians can try running the country.

Sounds good to me

And both can adopt a platform of youth rights. Once the voting age is lowered, then both parties will be swept into power and you and I, Che, can rule this world with a velvet fist.

btw, ZKribbler, you didn't make up the term paleoconservatives (you can have credit for peleoconservatives however), its used quite a lot.

[Last Conformist]

Would Peleoconsies be Hawaiian consies who worship Pele?

[OzzyKP]

btw, Che. I don't suppose you know someone by the name of S.vend la Rose, do you?

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Neoconservatism has nothing to do with deficits or economics, it has to do only with foreign policy.

Well wait a minute then. If traditional conservatives (PeleoCons) support balanced budgets, and NeoConservatism doesn't address the budget, what faction of the Republican Party is backing massive tax breaks and is thus causing resulting deficits?

[Last Conformist]

The reaganites and the populists.

[Dis]

tax cuts are great... provided you cut spending. We still have room to cut more defense budget. As much as I hate to say it, we don't need as large as a navy as we have today. We could save a lot of money there.

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


Well wait a minute then. If traditional conservatives (PeleoCons) support balanced budgets, and NeoConservatism doesn't address the budget, what faction of the Republican Party is backing massive tax breaks and is thus causing resulting deficits?

You could be a Neo-Conservative who also feels that tax increases or spending cuts should be used to finance wars. Many who support NeoCon's principle of interventionism also want big cuts to federal spending.

[Saras]

I remember a fantastic blog "where are the republicans" by some guy, who lamented the demise of the solid, horn-rimmed spectacle wearing, fiscally prudent people

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Saras
I remember a fantastic blog "where are the republicans" by some guy, who lamented the demise of the solid, horn-rimmed spectacle wearing, fiscally prudent people

I always remembered them being described as "steel-rimmed."

[Zkribbler]

So as I see it, there are at least four factions within the Republican Party (albeit any Republican could be a member of more than one faction):

1) NeoCons - foreign interventionalists.
2) PaleoCons - balance budget/small government
3) Reaganites -- tax cuts, even if it means deficits
4) Social Conservatives - Family Values/Praise Jesus people

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
btw, Che. I don't suppose you know someone by the name of Svend la Rose, do you?

Not by that name, no.

[Drake Tungsten]

The definitions of both neo-conservatism and paleo-conservatism given in the opening post are laughable...

[Sava]

Re: Can PeleoConservatives take over the Republican Party?

Originally posted by Zkribbler

"PeleoConservatives" is a term I made up to describe more traditional conservatives, i.e. those who espouse fiscal responsibility, federalism and limited government. They've been expressing growing frustration with the way the NeoCons are running the nation.

it's "PaleoConservative"

and you didn't make that term up

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservatism