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    The Vatican's chief astronomer said Friday that "intelligent design" isn't science and doesn't belong in science classrooms, the latest high-ranking Roman Catholic official to enter the evolution debate in the United States.

    The Rev. George Coyne, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, said placing intelligent design theory alongside that of evolution in school programs was "wrong" and was akin to mixing apples with oranges.

    "Intelligent design isn't science even though it pretends to be," the ANSA news agency quoted Coyne as saying on the sidelines of a conference in Florence. "If you want to teach it in schools, intelligent design should be taught when religion or cultural history is taught, not science."

    His comments were in line with his previous statements on "intelligent design" _ whose supporters hold that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power.

    Proponents of intelligent design are seeking to get public schools in the United States to teach it as part of the science curriculum. Critics say intelligent design is merely creationism _ a literal reading of the Bible's story of creation _ camouflaged in scientific language, and they say it does not belong in science curriculum.

    In a June article in the British Catholic magazine The Tablet, Coyne reaffirmed God's role in creation, but said science explains the history of the universe.

    "If they respect the results of modern science, and indeed the best of modern biblical research, religious believers must move away from the notion of a dictator God or a designer God, a Newtonian God who made the universe as a watch that ticks along regularly."

    Rather, he argued, God should be seen more as an encouraging parent.

    "God in his infinite freedom continuously creates a world that reflects that freedom at all levels of the evolutionary process to greater and greater complexity," he wrote. "He is not continually intervening, but rather allows, participates, loves."

    The Vatican Observatory, which Coyne heads, is one of the oldest astronomical research institutions in the world. It is based in the papal summer residence at Castel Gandolfo south of Rome.

    Last week, Pope Benedict XVI waded indirectly into the evolution debate by saying the universe was made by an "intelligent project" and criticizing those who in the name of science say its creation was without direction or order.

    Questions about the Vatican's position on evolution were raised in July by Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn.

    In a New York Times column, Schoenborn seemed to back intelligent design and dismissed a 1996 statement by Pope John Paul II that evolution was "more than just a hypothesis." Schoenborn said the late pope's statement was "rather vague and unimportant."
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    * picks up jaw from floor *
    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
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    • #3
      Do you have a link?

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      • #4
        NO RIPPING ON CATHOLICISM FOR A WEEK
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
          Do you have a link?
          You think I took the time to make that **** up?

          "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
          ^ The Poly equivalent of:
          "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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          • #6
            Hey EF, check your PMs.
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            • #7
              "Compromises are not always good things. If one guy wants to drill a five-inch hole in the bottom of your life boat, and the other person doesn't, a compromise of a two-inch hole is still stupid." - chegitz guevara
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              • #8
                There are a number of catholic (priest) scientists who have denounced intelligent design as "non-science" ( I saw one on TV a few weeks ago on C-span (I think) ).
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous


                  You think I took the time to make that **** up?

                  http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/18/D8DV0FEO0.html
                  Not at all.

                  I'm Catholic (non-practising), but I've always believed we've been much more progressive in regards to science and evolution than the Prots. Those bible thumping bastards.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by alva


                    * picks up jaw from floor *
                    Originally posted by Apocalypse
                    Huh? Catholics invented the Big Bang theory and enthusiastically support evolution. I don't see what is new here.
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                    • #11
                      I think the problem is that catholicism is seen stereotypically to be the disdain of all social and science progress, when in reality it just isn't true.
                      "Compromises are not always good things. If one guy wants to drill a five-inch hole in the bottom of your life boat, and the other person doesn't, a compromise of a two-inch hole is still stupid." - chegitz guevara
                      "Bill3000: The United Demesos? Boy, I was young and stupid back then.
                      Jasonian22: Bill, you are STILL young and stupid."

                      "is it normal to imaginne dartrh vader and myself in a tjhreee way with some hot chick? i'ts always been my fantasy" - Dis

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                      • #12
                        Yeah, I'm not really surprised either - the Galileo case is giving the RCC bad rep in this regard, but remember that the Reformation was based on an even stricter interpretation of the Bible. Besides, them nutty protestants will only take this as support for ID, now that it has been denounced by the Whore of Babylon.
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                        • #13
                          DD: It's just refreshing to see the Church say this OFFICIALLY.
                          To us, it is the BEAST.

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                          • #14
                            The strange thing would be to see this guy saying ID is science. Have in mind that RCC priesthood is formed mostly by intellectuals specially at highest ranks, and above all the jesuits. You cant expect to see them looking ridiculous saying that ID is science becuase it is not, and they all know it perfectly.
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                            • #15
                              See, catholics we (ie, the Vanguards of the Secular Army) can reason with and have a peace negotiated with. It's the loony Protestant sects that have to be contained and dealt with.
                              Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
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