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    Maglev train gets a boost from Congress
    By Chuck Mueller, Staff Writer

    VICTORVILLE - With high gasoline prices forcing Inland Empire commuters to reshuffle their budgets, many are expected to welcome the concept of a super speed train propelled by electromagnets., Congress has authorized spending $45 million for maglev in the current federal transportation bill, said Bruce Aguilera, chairman of a bi-state commission overseeing the $12 billion project. Visionaries say the proposed maglev train eventually may whisk passengers the 269 miles between Anaheim and Las Vegas in 86 minutes.

    Under the maglev system, short for magnetic levitation, trains propelled by electromagnets would zip along elevated guideways instead of rails, reaching speeds up to 300 mph.

    The 16 members of the California-Nevada Super Speed Train Commission will meet in Las Vegas in January, Aguilera said, to determine where the congressional appropriation will go.

    "The $45 million shows that Congress has faith in the project," he said. "We must capitalize on this by showing we're making progress. And we will have to find additional sources of funds, such as tax-free bonds, stock sales and private money."

    Some of the appropriation is likely to go for an environmental impact statement, while other portions will launch maglev operations along the first 40 miles of the route, from Las Vegas to Primm, at the California state line.

    Victorville Mayor Mike Rothschild a member of the commission, believes maglev would get commuters and other motorists "out of their autos and make us less oil-dependent."

    The system is already used on a limited basis in trains in China and Germany. "It's the technology of the century, 100 percent proven," Rothschild said.

    In his 34 years in the High Desert, he has witnessed the region's spectacular growth and its increased freeway congestion.

    With maglev, it's conceivable that the number of cars and trucks that clog the 15 Freeway could drop by one-fourth, the mayor said.

    "I believe it's realistic to say that 25 percent of the 70,000 vehicles using I-15 daily could be pulled off the freeway within 10 years," said Rothschild.

    "Think what that means: an immense saving in gasoline, a sharp drop in roadway congestion and a huge improvement in air quality. And no other mode of transportation can match maglev in cost-efficiency."

    Under the maglev proposal, trains would carry passengers from Anaheim to Las Vegas in 86 minutes, said Dennis J. Papilion, vice-president of Santa Ana-based URS Corp., environmental consultant for the project.

    Plans call for the first 40 miles of the route to link Las Vegas with Primm, in just 12 minutes. Victorville and Barstow are designated as stops along the route paralleling the 15 Freeway across the High Desert.

    The Nevada Department of Transportation, Caltrans and the Super Speed Train Commission are working with the Federal Railway Administration to find funding for the project.

    Rothschild believes the maglev concept, potentially leading to a national network of guideways, could reduce the country's thirst for oil.

    "It will allow us to slowly get away from our dependency on oil," he said. "And beyond the system now proposed for super speed trains, some day we may see trucks and autos operating on electric-powered platforms paralleling existing roadways."

    Under the California-Nevada maglev proposal, trains would carry about 12,000 passengers hourly in each direction on a typical eight-car train.

    "Maglev will help make the High Desert a destination for visitors and will generate all types of new business," said Rothschild. "And it could make long-distance commuting financially viable. Passenger costs on Maglev are expected to be half the price of an airline ticket."

    "The super speed trains would be powered by 3.5 megawatts of electricity," said Larry Blow, national project manager for Transrapid International, the train's designer.

    "Victorville is well-positioned to provide electric power for maglev," Rothschild pointed out. "We have already opened a 760-megawatt natural gas-fueled power near Southern California Logistics Airport, and plan to build a second, comparable plant."

    He notes that the existing High Desert power plant, owned by Baltimore-based Consellation Energy Group, would use only one-seventh of its electric production to power 20 maglev trains between Anaheim and Las Vegas.

    Meanwhile, city officials envision opening a second 760-megawatt power plant. "With a second plant to provide electricity for maglev, we could make it the most cost-effective super speed route in the country," the mayor explained.

    Discuss.
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  • #2
    two words: fancy shmancy.
    urgh.NSFW

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    • #3
      I'll believe it when I see it.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #4
        maglev
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        • #5
          Originally posted by DanS
          I'll believe it when I see it.
          QFYeah, but still...
          The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Urban Ranger
            maglev
            China utilizing maglevs
            The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

            The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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            • #7
              Now if they put slot machines and video poker on the train, we've got a winning business plan.
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              • #8
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                Last edited by Ted Striker; August 3, 2020, 18:44.
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                • #9
                  China wasting money on a pointless maglev line

                  Get the tech cheap, Siemens, and then we'll talk.
                  urgh.NSFW

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Az
                    Get the tech cheap, Siemens, and then we'll talk.
                    It will only become cheaper if more places install it.
                    (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                    (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                    (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                    • #11
                      I am not so sure of it - what's the main fraction of the cost? track construction, IIRC. The problem with it is high cost of manufacturing this - and not because of issues that will be solved with scale. The technology needs to change.
                      urgh.NSFW

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                      • #12
                        A couple of links relevent to the maglev being used in China (as a real-world testbed for this company's technology) and the ones proposed here in the US:




                        From Wiki:
                        Construction costs

                        Building a maglev track is less costly than a comparatively HSR line. The non-contact technology uses factory manufactured girders. To construct a maglev track is approx. 20 to 50 % less expensive in terms of construction. However, the vehicles cost much more than conventional high-speed trains bringing overall project costs ahead of HSR track projects. In comparison, maglev technology might have equal or slightly higher costs by giving commuters much better time saving benefits. Thus, maglev technology gives a favorable ratio of travel time to infrastructure costs. However, due to its high costs, passenger comfort may be compromised as interior seating takes on more of a commercial jet-aircraft configuration than a typical passenger train one.

                        Maintenance costs

                        While maglev costs more in terms of the overall project expenses, it saves in maintenance efforts and costs as well as energy consumption. Even though there is no long-time experience drawn from any commercial application, simulations and first data obtained from the Shanghai project prove the assumptions.
                        The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

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                        • #13
                          Here's a .gif of proposed US routes:
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                          The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

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                          • #14
                            If you pull off even half of this **** before 2020 my opinion of america will vastly improve.
                            urgh.NSFW

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                            • #15
                              If we pull off the Primm, Nevada to Las Vegas, Nevada stretch* before 2020 my opinion of our state and local politicians will vastly improve.

                              *Primm is a town on the Nevada-California border; would serve as a drop-off point for tourists from Southern California travelling to or from Las Vegas. Sort of a Park-and-Ride project, but with maglevs instead of carpooling.
                              The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                              The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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