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  • #16
    Apparently not all the Republicans are on board.

    Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) strongly criticized yesterday the White House's new line of attack against critics of its Iraq policy, saying that "the Bush administration must understand that each American has a right to question our policies in Iraq and should not be demonized for disagreeing with them."

    With President Bush leading the charge, administration officials have lashed out at Democrats who have accused the administration of manipulating intelligence to justify the war in Iraq. Bush has suggested that critics are hurting the war effort, telling U.S. troops in Alaska on Monday that critics "are sending mixed signals to our troops and the enemy. And that's irresponsible."

    "To not question . . . is unpatriotic," Sen. Chuck Hagel said.

    Hagel, a Vietnam War veteran and a potential presidential candidate in 2008, countered in a speech to the Council of Foreign Relations that the Vietnam War "was a national tragedy partly because members of Congress failed their country, remained silent and lacked the courage to challenge the administrations in power until it was too late."

    "To question your government is not unpatriotic -- to not question your government is unpatriotic," Hagel said, arguing that 58,000 troops died in Vietnam because of silence by political leaders. "America owes its men and women in uniform a policy worthy of their sacrifices."

    Hagel said Democrats have an obligation to be constructive in their criticism, but he accused the administration of "dividing the country" with its rhetorical tactics.

    Hagel supported the 2002 resolution to authorize military action in Iraq, but he has emerged as a strong skeptic of the Bush administration's handling of the war. In his speech, he called for a regional security conference to help invest Iraq's neighbors in the effort to stabilize the country.

    At one point, while answering a question from the audience about Syria, Hagel suggested that the Middle East is worse off after the invasion because the administration failed to anticipate the consequences of removing Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "You could probably argue it is worse in many ways in the Middle East because of consequences and ripple effects," he said.

    Meanwhile, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld joined other administration officials yesterday in attacking critics of the Iraq war for attempting to "rewrite" history, warning that setting an arbitrary deadline for withdrawing U.S. troops could "give terrorists the false hope that if they can simply hold on long enough, that they can outlast us."

    At the same time, Rumsfeld acknowledged what he called honest mistakes in the Bush administration's prewar intelligence on Iraq. "There's no doubt in my mind that people made honest mistakes in . . . the pieces of that intelligence that were presented at the United Nations," he said at a news briefing.

    Rumsfeld described an evolution of U.S. policy toward Iraq embraced by Democrats and Republicans. He read several quotes from 1998 from then-President Bill Clinton, Vice President Al Gore, Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright and national security adviser Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger. They predicted that Hussein, if unchecked, would again use weapons of mass destruction.

    However, many of the comments cited by Rumsfeld were used to justify continued sanctions on Iraq, not to invade it. Moreover, the Clinton administration officials did not cite the problematic intelligence that formed the core of the Bush administration's case for an invasion, such as allegations that Iraq sought uranium in Africa and tried to obtain aluminum tubes as part of a resurgent nuclear program.

    Rumsfeld also pointed to congressional actions in 1998 and 2002 calling for Hussein's removal. But the 1998 law, signed by Clinton, said "nothing in this act shall be construed to authorize or otherwise speak to use of United States Armed Forces" to implement it.

    Staff writer Ann Scott Tyson contributed to this report.

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    • #17
      Really the only thing this "pushback" is going to accomplish is to give the most loyal supporters a ray of hope. It might even win back some of the supporters that were lost, when they felt they were betrayed by the big spending bill that was passed to help with Hurricane Katrina.

      He can do the whole speech about freedom routine, play soldier, and make disgusting speeches on Veteran's Day, but that can only reassure the die hard supporters at best, and only temporarily. He's been trying this routine for months and it's just gotten worse.

      The core problems just aren't going to go away by playing pass the buck "it's not my fault!" games.

      In fact, it just makes him look more pathetic and desparate, much in the same way Governor Gray Davis did when he started blaming everyone else, instead of being a LEADER, shortly before we kicked his punk ass out of office.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by DRoseDARs
        This report will remain mostly classified and as such the public won't know the full extent of the damage.
        I look foward to seeing it on the internet as soon as it is completed then.
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        • #19
          Boris

          Bush lied and is now lying about his lying. He actually claimed a bi-partisan Congressional investigation cleared him when the truth is that the Phase 1 report specifically was forbidden to look into the matter of when and how intelligence was manipulated because Republicans threatened to stone wall it if it dealt with the real issue. The 2nd phase was supposed to deal with how the intelligence was falsified yet for over two years the Congressional Republican leadership has blocked all efforts to continue the agreed upon investigation. They know their man is guilty and they're blocking the investigation which will prove it. Pure obstructionism.
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          • #20
            And the third lie is that Congress voted for Bush to remove Saddam Hussein from power. This is certainly not the case, as nothing in the wording of what Congress voted on says anything of the kind. They voted to authorize the use of military force to enforce the UN Security Council resolutions.

            Hmm...didn't know that one.

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            • #21
              Damn those lieing French and Germans!
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              • #22
                Man, Hagel is even more deluded than Biden as to his chances as a presidential candidate. How in the hell does he think he's going to get the GOP nod when he goes against the party line on this, an effort even his mentor McCain is supporting?
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                  Is anyone going to try to answer my questions? I know ya'll think Bush is a liar, so I didn't ask what you thought of the substance of his statements; I already know the answer to that. What I want to know is who you think is next and what the ramifications of this are.
                  The ramifications will probably be nil. Americans don't trust the administration anymore, a strong majority believes they are dishonest. So them making more claims that are easily shown to be false will hardly help them in the credibility arena, especially since this time around the MSM doesn't appear to by buying into it.
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                  • #24
                    I was just going to mention Phase 2.

                    It's been 2 damn years already. It was promised as a bipartisan report and that's what that special closed session was about.


                    Also a good point, lying about lying, that's what it is and why it's so pathetic.
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                    • #25
                      And if Rove is free and clear, I'm at a loss to explain why his right-hand person, Susan Ralston, is due to appear before Fitzgerald's grand jury any day now.
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                      • #26
                        A sidenote about Phase II: Because of the "stunt" pulled by the Senate Dems earlier, we were supposed to get a progress report the 14th showing that a 6 member Senate panel be selected to proceed with this next phase.

                        The deadline came and went. No report.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Boris Godunov
                          And if Rove is free and clear, I'm at a loss to explain why his right-hand person, Susan Ralston, is due to appear before Fitzgerald's grand jury any day now.
                          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                            Is anyone going to try to answer my questions? I know ya'll think Bush is a liar, so I didn't ask what you thought of the substance of his statements; I already know the answer to that. What I want to know is who you think is next and what the ramifications of this are.
                            Also interesting in the Republican camp is how they are dealing with Chalabi. Members of the Bush administration still feel that there were/are WMDs in Iraq, and Chalabi is still viewed as an asset in that regard.

                            As to your broader question, I don't view the Republican "pushback" effort as significant except in what it might force the media to overlook. For instance, the Senate was supposed to have addressed "phase II" of the prewar Iraq intelligence by this week, but Republicans like Roberts have been stonewalling the investigation. The plame investigation is still being conducted, and Rove is clearly not out of the woods yet. And back in the Senate, more and more Republicans are moving away from Bush's "stay the course, stay the course, the insurgency is on its last foot" rhetoric. So really, they had no choice but to fight back, and they will continue to, no doubt focusing their attack on Reid.

                            Whether it will work or not is the more interesting question. The Republicans have a hard sell to pull. Right now, almost 60% of Americans do not think Bush honest. 56% disapprove of the way Bush is handling foreign policy. And last tuesday, we saw a couple of examples of Bush's coattails. In Virginia, a state Bush won by a large margin, the Republican candidate was afraid to appear with Bush, only inviting him into the race the day before the election when things looked desperate. In New jersey, a number of Republicans are viewing Forrester's embarrassing loss as a result of Bush's popularity.

                            Republicans can go on the attack all they want. But no matter what they do, the facts will still be against them. Few Americans think that Iraq is in good shape right now. We've been at war since May of 2003 when Bush declared "mission accomplished," and we see little result. The Iraqi army is no more effective than it was a year ago. After numerous American offensives and more than 2000 Americans dead, it is not clear what would constitute a victory, and more and more people are thinking that we need to send our troops home as soon as possible. So as Bush says that the Democrats are rewriting history, people will compare it to the Democrat's current calls for an Iraqi timetable. The Republicans clearly have the harder sell.

                            And as this offensive continues, Congress will recess, and both sides will return to their districts to raise up support. And when the Democrats finally unveil their 2006 agenda (which includes both an Iraq plan and an energy-independence plan), while the Republicans are forced to stick with some more "stay the course" rhetoric, I do not envision a great deal of success for the GOP.
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                            • #29
                              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                              • #30
                                when the Democrats finally unveil their 2006 agenda (which includes both an Iraq plan


                                That's awfully optimistic; the Dems haven't been able to come up with an Iraq plan for almost three years now. I certainly hope they finally can, but I'm not holding my breath...
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