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  • #16
    By Lucy Hornby

    SHANGHAI, Nov 16 (Reuters) - China's secretive State Reserves Bureau sold copper through its first public auction on Wednesday and announced a second sale, in a bid to convince the market it had the clout to deflate rocketing world prices.

    The bureau said it would sell 20,000 tonnes of copper on Nov. 23 after it sold the same amount on Wednesday.

    The unusual auctions came as prices stayed high, supported by the possibility the bureau would have to cover a bet worth hundreds of millions of dollars that prices would fall.

    The sale pressured local spot market prices, but has so far failed to dent benchmark copper futures on the London Metal Exchange, which hit a new record overnight of $4,174 a tonne. LME three-month copper was quoted at $4,130/$4,140 a tonne by midday on Wednesday.

    "The sale has been expected in the market for some time without having succeeded in pushing down the LME, so we wouldn't expect it to have an effect on the LME now," said analyst Cai Luoyi of China International Futures Co.

    "Most lots have sold between 38,500 and 38,600 yuan

    (between $4,762 and $4,775) a tonne, which is in line with the market's valuation."

    The bureau has made no secret of its desire to drive down global copper prices, and has said it has 1.3 million tonnes in reserve to do so. Many traders have interpreted the unusual openness as a desperate effort to unwind a dangerously large short position.

    Liu Qibing, who handled LME trading for the bureau, has been uncontactable for a few weeks. Traders say he had a short position of 150,000 tonnes to 200,000 tonnes on the LME.

    That compares with world exchange stocks of 140,000 tonnes, of which the LME holds 65,000 tonnes, Barclays Capital analyst Ingrid Sternby said in a research report on Tuesday.

    Bureau statements that the trader acted on his own raised questions of whether the bureau would honour the obligations or leave its brokers exposed.

    If exercised this spring, when the market believed copper futures had peaked at $3,000 a tonne, the position would have represented a loss of more than $200 million.

    The cocktail of high prices and a substantial short position by a large Asian player remind many market participants of 1996, when copper markets crashed after Sumitomo Corp. (8053.T: Quote, Profile, Research) revealed $2.6 billion in losses from short positions taken by rogue trader Yasuo Hamanaka.


    EMPTYING WAREHOUSES

    But some of the copper auctioned by the bureau on Wednesday pre-dates the Hamanaka scandal, leading some bullish traders to bet that the bureau was clearing out its warehouses.

    China's reserves of copper, like those of grains and gold, are a state secret. The bureau normally buys and sells without fanfare, and some traders believe it has recently purchased copper from large domestic producers.

    Auction prices were below spot prices in eastern China, which dropped 330 yuan to 38,900 yuan to 39,000 yuan a tonne on Wednesday. The bureau's auction included older lots of copper that might therefore fetch a discount to current spot prices.

    By selling in China, the bureau has widened the price gap between Chinese and global markets. That may discourage Chinese importers from buying copper, increasing global supply but causing the domestic market to tighten again.

    "The price of the SRB sale, although soft, merely reflects the current softness in spot China premiums prior to the SRB's announcement of their intention to make sales," said Dominic Mound, a metals trader for ABN Amro in Australia.

    "On a positive note, the fact the SRB is finding takers for its material does indicate there are buyers out there."

    The auction's first sale, at 38,650 yuan a tonne for 100 tonnes of copper produced in the United States in 2004, set a positive tone and subsequent lots went briskly, traders said.

    ($1=8.0845 yuan)


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    • #17
      Oh please! Like other countries don't do this.
      “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
      "Capitalism ho!"

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      • #18
        Strange stuff. Nothing further on the mysteriously disappeared trader?

        -Arrian
        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DaShi
          Oh please! Like other countries don't do this.
          Short 100,000 tons of metal we don't own and then kill the people executing our commands as to cover our own azzes?

          Yeah.. that's routine.

          China's going through some growing pains, coming to realize that experience counts as much as opportunity in this phase of her growth. Blunders like this should be expected, and since the West has dedicated itself this decade to one of those bizarre, "woe is us" lost of confidence maladies that afflict us every 30, 40 odd years, any news "proving" that China isn't as big a threat as believed is going to get some play, just for the relief factor.

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          • #20
            I think DaShi was mocking certain other posters.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Kuciwalker
              I think DaShi was mocking certain other posters.
              Come on now, what poster would be silly enough to constantly counter any criticisms of his/her homeland with blatant logical fallacies?
              Stop Quoting Ben

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              • #22
                Originally posted by JohnT


                Short 100,000 tons of metal we don't own
                It's generally useless to short metal you do own...
                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                Killing it is the new killing it
                Ultima Ratio Regum

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                • #23
                  DaShi is alluding to something important. China treats the information on its stockpiles as a state secret. Sometimes, that might be advantageous, but now it's biting them in the ass because nobody believes what they say with regard to their stockpiles.

                  If they had published their stockpile figures in the normal course of business, as, for instance, the US does with its oil strategic reserve figures, then the market wouldn't get skittish about China's ability to meet its supply obligations.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #24

                    Come on now, what poster would be silly enough to constantly counter any criticisms of his/her homeland with blatant logical fallacies?


                    It's one of them "I<3UR" days in apolyton, I see.
                    urgh.NSFW

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by KrazyHorse


                      It's generally useless to short metal you do own...
                      @ myself.

                      Yes... yes it is, isn't it?

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                      • #26
                        this is awesome for chile

                        copper is 40% of their exports

                        great
                        I need a foot massage

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Az
                          It's one of them "I<3UR" days in apolyton, I see.
                          We always UR

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