The super human Putin.

[Dinner]

Naw, unemployment is so high they are so happy to see yet another person leave.

[Pekka]

"Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything is so freaking fine, except perhaps nazi marching throught streets of Talin, monuments dedicated to 'heroes' wearing nazi unifoorms, kindergardens named after SS personel and Russians without citezenship, because, well, they are Russian untermensches."

Nazi..SS..Nazi...SS...

"Friendly? Don't think so."

Well I guess it's friendly to all who are not Russian untermench? Or just the Nazis.

[C0ckney]

estonia
russian untermench

[Serb]

Originally posted by C0ckney
estonia
russian untermench

You are a skinhead, right?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Pekka
"Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything is so freaking fine, except perhaps nazi marching throught streets of Talin, monuments dedicated to 'heroes' wearing nazi unifoorms, kindergardens named after SS personel and Russians without citezenship, because, well, they are Russian untermensches."

Nazi..SS..Nazi...SS...

"Friendly? Don't think so."

Well I guess it's friendly to all who are not Russian untermench? Or just the Nazis.

You think that neonazism is a funny thing?

[Pekka]

Yes.

It's funny because the biggest rise of neonazis is in.. can you guess already?

[Serb]

Prove it.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Naw, unemployment is so high they are so happy to see yet another person leave.

You must be kidding. The unemployment rate in Byelorussia is only 2%. In the neighbour Poland, for example, it's about 20%.

[Pekka]

It doesn't matter what documents I'd provide now does it? It would be all Western Propaganda.

It's not very old phenomenon, it's quite new, yet it's not a joke. In the year 2004 neonazis in Russia killed 44 people. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NGUSE7N2D1.DTL

There has been many reports and articles, especially last year with the few brutal attacks that reached the world media. There was even a documentary, they weren't any special comparing to neonazis around the world though.

The latest popularity has been bigger (nationalism, the bad one) within the youth than most countries, and certainly western countries. When this was actually news, there were several polls conducted in the more problematic areas, and it wasn't pretty.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazis gives you info about neonazis in Russia as well.

Time magazine makes a special report about it:

http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/article/0,13005,901040809-674718,00.html

Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/27/wnazi27.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/08/27/ixworld.html

can't be bothered to post and link the whole internet.

The fact that you don't even consider this an issue is weird. If you're against neonazism, you have much work to do in your backyard first, where the ACTIVE and more violent neonazis appear to be.

[Saras]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
its good to be president of Ukraine when the price of steel is increasing.

For the same reason its good to be president of Russia when the price of oil is increasing.

QFT.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything is so freaking fine, except perhaps nazi marching throught streets of Talin, monuments dedicated to 'heroes' wearing nazi unifoorms, kindergardens named after SS personel and Russians without citezenship, because, well, they are Russian untermensches.

Nazis did not march in Tallinn since WWII - FACT

People fighting for Estonian freedom from Russians sometimes happened to wear Wehrmach and Waffen SS uniforms - FACT

Russians and Lithuanians and Zimbabweans can and do become citizens after passing the necessary tests - FACT

[germanos]

To put it into perspective President Putin is attempting to lead a country that ... (has)... a depression that makes the US Great Depression look like a time of plenty, an average life-span for a Russian citizen that looks like something from the Dark Ages, and to top it off he is managing all of this on a budget a little larger than New York City's.

Both Bush and Putin are plainspoken (often tongue-tied) centrist oriented patriots trying to lead their countries to a better place.

Serb is making a pact with the devil

[Serb]

Originally posted by Pekka
It doesn't matter what documents I'd provide now does it? It would be all Western Propaganda.

It's not very old phenomenon, it's quite new, yet it's not a joke. In the year 2004 neonazis in Russia killed 44 people. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NGUSE7N2D1.DTL

There has been many reports and articles, especially last year with the few brutal attacks that reached the world media. There was even a documentary, they weren't any special comparing to neonazis around the world though.

The latest popularity has been bigger (nationalism, the bad one) within the youth than most countries, and certainly western countries. When this was actually news, there were several polls conducted in the more problematic areas, and it wasn't pretty.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazis gives you info about neonazis in Russia as well.

Time magazine makes a special report about it:

http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/article/0,13005,901040809-674718,00.html

Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/27/wnazi27.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/08/27/ixworld.html

can't be bothered to post and link the whole internet.

The fact that you don't even consider this an issue is weird. If you're against neonazism, you have much work to do in your backyard first, where the ACTIVE and more violent neonazis appear to be.

First of all, all links you provided, basically talks about the same two cases. Such crap happens all around the world and it is sad. But, in Russia skinheads being thrown in prisons on the regular basis. According to Russian law all fascist parties are illegal. We don't give pensions to SS veterans, do not make monuments in their honor, do not name kindergardens or streets after SS "heroes", do not permit meetings of SS veterans and other nazist scum, do not forbid veterans who fought vs. nazism to wear their WW2 medals etc. We have a jew as prime minister, a Chechen a Tartar as key ministers. Now please name me a single non-Estonian or non-Latvian minister in the governments of mentioned countries.
Russia is no exception and fortunatelly do have its own skinheads and it is the problem, but what we don't have is the policy of rehabilitation of nazism and the policy of discrimination.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Saras


Nazis did not march in Tallinn since WWII - FACT

People fighting for Estonian freedom from Russians sometimes happened to wear Wehrmach and Waffen SS uniforms - FACT

Russians and Lithuanians and Zimbabweans can and do become citizens after passing the necessary tests - FACT

From http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/ww...via/index2.htm

It's a long reading, but it worths it.

"Resurgence of fascism in the former Soviet Baltic republics of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia has been growing over the past decade. Regretfully, these deplorable actions by the governments and local authorities of the three Baltic States attracted little attention from the international community.

In September of 2003 a number of Latvians and foreign visitors attended the memorial ceremony for the Jewish-Latvian Holocaust victims in the Rumbula forest, where 25,000 Jews were massacred in late 1941 mostly by Latvian police and guards. Just a week later Latvian government unveiled another memorial – this one was dedicated to the memory of Latvian Waffen SS members.

During the same month Latvia managed to pacify its small remaining Jewish population while at the same time making itself feel better about its history of collaborating with Nazi Germany. Two weeks - two memorials: one is to the Holocaust victims and the other one to the Holocaust makers.

The SS memorial was unveiled in the Latvian town of Lestene. The event was attended by the country’s government, religious and military officials. Three military orchestras of the Latvian Defense Ministry provided musical background for commemorating 'accomplishments and sacrifices' of the SS and its Latvian division in the name of Führer and Fatherland.

With the exception of a few Russian and Israeli newspapers the world media remained oblivious to these events and silent.

Surviving members of the Latvian SS legion marched proudly in Lestene, their 'accomplishments' appreciated by their new government. Latvian SS exterminated tens of thousands of Jews, Slavs and fellow Latvians sixty years ago and today Latvian government considers the SS men war veterans, pays them military pensions, erects monuments in their name and celebrates their cause and bloody deeds with state-sponsored parades.

Schoolchildren in Latvia learn that the SS heroically defended their country against Bolshevik hordes and sought an appropriate place for the Latvian uberman in the bright future of the Thousand Year Reich.

Unable to accept the responsibility for its Nazi past Latvia is seeking to rewrite the bloody pages of its history. This is done quietly and gradually. The three military orchestras playing at the SS memorial ceremony in Latvia this September had to keep down their fortissimo so not to disturb the sleeping public opinion of the nations that sacrificed millions of lives to defeat the monster of fascism.

Today Latvia is not just rewriting its own history but ours as well. We make this possible by ignoring the SS marching in Lestene; by trying hard not to notice the memorials to Nazi murderers popping up here and there in Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia; by closing our ears so not to hear the SS legions marching in Riga and Tallinn.

In 1946 the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg adjudged Waffen SS to be a criminal organization. Since 1997 thousands SS criminals living in the US, UK, Latvia and other countries collected a monthly military pension paid by Germany and by national governments, as is the case with Latvia.

This revolting historical revisionism rearing its ugly head with our silent approval is an insult to the memories of millions who gave their lives to save ours.

Latvia’s attempts at rewriting the history of the Second World War have been a subject of hundreds of news articles, books and public discussions. The Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs called Latvia’s revisionist policies in regard to its wartime collaboration with Nazi Germany “one of the worst cases of falsification of history.” 1 A number of countries have to deal with the problem of resurging fascism. What makes Latvian neo-nazism more frightening is the open official support it gets from the Latvian government.

During the war Waffen Schutzstaffel (Waffen SS) formed two divisions consisting of Latvian volunteers – the 15th and 19th Waffen Grenadier Divisions. At the peak of its power the SS grew from four all-German divisions to 41 divisions numbering 900,000 members from all occupied countries, including more than 150,000 volunteers from Latvia - the biggest contribution of SS volunteers of any nation occupied by Germany.

Unlike other volunteer Waffen SS divisions created during the war the Latvian divisions were known for their proficiency in combat and commitment to the standards of Nazism. The 15th SS Latvian Division was the most decorated foreign volunteer division of the SS winning 13 Knight Crosses - more than any non-German Legion. In 1945, after being decimated by the advancing Soviet army, the remaining elements of the two Latvian SS divisions regrouped under the command of Waffen-Standartenführer Villus Janums for the defense of Berlin. They later surrendered to the Americans at Güterglück near the Elbe River.

In the Spring of 1998 the remainder of this force paraded through the streets of Latvia’s capital carrying banners with swastika and SS insignia. The march was authorized by the Latvian government and attended by the Chief of Staff of the Latvian Armed Forces despite protests from Russia, France and Israel.2

Only two weeks before the Nazi parade in Riga Latvian police brutally dispersed a peaceful demonstration by Russian war veterans. A few days after the Nazi parade in Riga two bombs damaged a synagogue and the Russian embassy in Latvia's capital.

Later same year Russia threatened economic sanctions against Latvia in response to the country’s official support for surging neo-nazism but this threat never materialized.3 Regretfully, Latvia’s official way of dealing with Nazi past remains to be through denial and historical revisionism.

In 1997 Germany revealed that up to 50,000 former SS members worldwide are receiving a monthly pension from the German government. This includes 3,377 Waffen SS men and their dependents in the US. Following this revelation US Rep. Gary L. Ackerman requested a list of the US recipients of these benefits. The list was sent by the German administration to the US Department of Justice but it was not made public as was demanded by various public and religious organizations.4

Among the people who received monthly benefits for SS veterans is the widow of SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich – the architect of the “Final Solution” - and the SS-Untersturmführer Heinz Barth, known in France as l'assassin d'Oradour-sur-Glane and sentenced to life imprisonment by an East German court for massacring hundreds of civilians in the French town of Oradour, qualified to receive a military pension following the reunification of Germany."

[Serb]

Originally posted by germanos

To put it into perspective President Putin is attempting to lead a country that ... (has)... a depression that makes the US Great Depression look like a time of plenty, an average life-span for a Russian citizen that looks like something from the Dark Ages, and to top it off he is managing all of this on a budget a little larger than New York City's.

Both Bush and Putin are plainspoken (often tongue-tied) centrist oriented patriots trying to lead their countries to a better place.

Serb is making a pact with the devil

Serb is not the author of this article. The guy who wrote this is retired Major Ron Hamilton who served in US Army Intelligence. Since he is American, it's not surprising that he compares Putin with American presidents.