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  • "The Supremes Have Made Their Decision, Now Let Them Enforce It," Says Senate

    Senate Votes No Terror Suspects in Courts
    By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
    9 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON - The Senate voted Thursday to bar foreign terror suspects at the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, from filing lawsuits in American courts to challenge their detentions, despite a Supreme Court ruling last year that granted such access.
    In other words, a majority of the United States Senators just voted to thumb their noses at the Constitution.

    In a 49-42 vote, senators added the provision by Sen. Lindsey Graham (news, bio, voting record), R-S.C., to a sweeping defense policy bill.

    Under the provision, Guantanamo Bay detainees would be allowed to appeal their status as an "enemy combatant" one time, to the Circuit Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C. But they would not be able to file petitions known as writs of habeas corpus, which are used to fight unlawful detentions, in that or any other U.S. court.

    "For 200 years, ladies and gentlemen, in the law of armed conflict, no nation has given an enemy combatant, a terrorist, an al-Qaida member the ability to go into every federal court in this United States and sue the people that are fighting the war for us," Graham told his colleagues.

    Sen. Jeff Bingaman (news, bio, voting record), D-N.M., said the provision was a major mistake and deserved scrutiny. "It's contrary to the way the court decisions have come down already. It is an extraordinary step for this Congress to be taking," he said.
    The best they can come up with is that the Senate defying a direct SCotUS order is that it is "an extraordinary move?

    Democrats indicated they may try to kill or change the provision before the Senate votes on the overall bill next week. Five Democrats sided with 44 Republicans in voting for the provision.
    Un-****ing-believable.

    In a separate war matter, the Senate voted 82-9 to require National Intelligence Director John Negroponte to provide the Senate and House intelligence committees with details of any clandestine facilities where the United States holds or has held terrorism suspects.

    That was a reaction to a Washington Post story from Nov. 2 that said the CIA has had secret prisons for terror detainees in eight countries, including democracies in Eastern Europe. The Bush administration has refused to confirm whether the prisons exist.

    The Senate hopes to complete work next week on the overall bill. It already includes provisions barring abusive treatment of foreign prisoners and standardizing interrogation techniques. Those provisions also are in the separate $445 billion military spending bill the Senate passed last month.

    The White House has threatened to veto any bill with the restrictions on handling detainees, saying it would limit the president's ability to protect Americans and prevent a terrorist attack. Vice President Dick Cheney has vigorously lobbied Congress to drop or modify the detainee provisions sponsored by Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz.

    That has set up a rare challenge of the president's wartime authority by members of his own party. The confrontation comes as Bush is under fire for detention policies at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and other facilities.

    It also coincides with a turbulent period in Bush's second term. His public support has eroded to its lowest level yet in polls, dragged down by the war, high gas prices and the indictment of a top White House aide in the leak of a CIA agent's identity.

    The McCain and Graham provisions are not in the House-passed defense bills.

    The Senate's approval of Graham's amendment followed Monday's Supreme Court decision to review a constitutional challenge to the Bush administration's military trials for suspected foreign terrorists held at the U.S. naval base in Cuba.

    In 2004, the Supreme Court said the 500 or so prisoners held there could file habeas corpus petitions in U.S. courts to fight their detentions. Many of the prisoners were captured in Afghanistan and have been held at Guantanamo for several years without being charged.

    Since that ruling, prisoner lawsuits against the government have piled up.

    Graham sought to curb what he called "lawsuit abuse," arguing that prisoners of war and enemy combatants have never before been given access to U.S. courts.

    But Sen. Carl Levin (news, bio, voting record), D-Mich., said it was too broad and would effectively reverse the Supreme Court's previous decision on the issue of detainees rights. "It is inconsistent with what the Supreme Court did," he said.

    Human-rights groups also cried foul.

    "Depriving an entire branch of government of its ability to exercise meaningful oversight is a decidedly wrong course to take," said Elisa Massimino, the Washington director of Human Rights First.

    On Iraq, Senate Democrats offered a proposal requiring the president to outline a timetable for a phased withdrawal of U.S. forces, and Republicans put forth their own Iraqi policy proposal. Votes on both are expected next week.
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    Jeff Bingaman delayed an Amendment to basically reverse Graham's Amendment to round up more support for protecting habeas corpus. A few potential no votes were out of chamber - Corzine, Inouye, Hagel, and Lugar; and maybe and another four might be rounded up with some pressure (if the 5 Dems can be pressured to switch side, the Graham Amendment could be rejected).

    Frankly, I'm astonished and deeply disappointed that Graham offered this Amendment, and that it had so much support. Most Republicans including McCain, Snowe, Collins, Crapo, etc. voted for it. Only four voted against it - Specter and Chaffee unsuprisingly, but also Sununu and Smith.
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    • #3
      WTF is up with McCain and Lugar, who seem to say one thing but then when it comes time to vote they always go with the party line.
      We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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      • #4


        Yes, it's shocking that politicians would act like politicians.
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        • #5
          Lugar didn't vote.
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          • #6
            Yeah, I know, just talking about in general.
            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ted Striker
              WTF is up with McCain and Lugar, who seem to say one thing but then when it comes time to vote they always go with the party line.
              He wants to run for President so he needs to pander to the Republican base. Those people don't care about little like the constitution or enforcing the rule of law.
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              • #8
                Damn. We must have violated the human rights of millions of German soldiers.
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                • #9
                  There was a well-defined end to the Germans' captivity in the future. There is none for these captives, since:

                  (a) The US Executive doesn't recognise them as being protected by the Geneva convention as POWs

                  (b) Even if it did, it has made so many noises about its ill-defined "War on Terror" that it could be expected to refuse to recognise an end to the conflict for decades to come.
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                  • #10
                    What's more worrying is that there's still bound to be lots of innocent folks there due to bad practice back in the day, when locals would act as bounty hunters. That equals modern day wich hunt, or just plain selling people. On those grounds, many are destined to be doomed, and it's really difficult to tell otherwise if the few locals who sold the person convinced they are the real deal adn they know them.. nice way to get rid of annoying neighbours .
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                    • #11
                      They didn't thumb their noses at the Constitution, they thumbed their noses at the Supreme Court.

                      Now, someone will file suit against the amendment (assuming it passes), and it will eventually be back before the Court, who may or may not strike it down.

                      So it will continue, until one side or the other gets tired of it.

                      Such is our system of checks and balances.
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                      • #12
                        Bull****. I doubt that the writers of the Constitution intended spamming as a check on the Supreme Court's power.

                        Congress should have better sense than to pass laws which so obviously violate a prior Court decision. Especially one which is so recent.
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                        • #13
                          Of course they did. What other means, short of a constitutional amendment, would congress have if they strongly disagreed with the court on the matter?
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                          • #14
                            Impeaching the supreme court, or packing it with new judges.
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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                            Killing it is the new killing it
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                            • #15
                              So they have two options, so far: changing the Constitution or changing the Supreme Court.

                              The Supreme Court is the supreme arbiter of the Constitutionality of legislation in the United States. The legislature isn't going to get around that by bombarding the SC with laws whose unconstitutionality based on recent precedent is obvious.
                              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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