Ideology is nothing but post-rationalization

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Az

This don't say ****. We are speaking about HOW you make up your own mind.

And your answer to that is to take a poll, apparently.

For example, libertarianism, is almost completely self-consistent. Problem is, it's based on bizzare axioms that most people disagree with.

Huh? What? WTF are you on about. Who cares if most people disagree with them? If I agree with them then they'll form the basis of my morality. And just why the hell should I agree with them? Because of how I feel about them.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Odin


Unless you are an extreme Ethical Relativist, you don't really beleive this. Morality and ethics is about UNIVERSAL right or wrongs.

Yes. So?

I understand how others can come to different moral conclusions than I do. It doesn't mean I accept their views as equally valid.

We're not dealing with objective truths here. I think it's true that human life is inherently valuable. Somebody else may not. I understand that his position is impossible to disprove. I also know that I'll impose my moral system on him if I have the capability. I won't let him murder his fellow human beings just because he doesn't think he's doing wrong.

Morality is arrived at individually and applied universally.

[KrazyHorse]

It's so funny to me that the people who have derided moral relativism in this thread are, in fact, moral relativists.

[Kuciwalker]

Relativism is true and irrelevent.

[Odin]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

Morality is arrived at individually and applied universally.

No, there are universal moral and ethical standards based on human nature, though they they must be taken in particular cultural contexts.

[Odin]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

Huh? What? WTF are you on about. Who cares if most people disagree with them? If I agree with them then they'll form the basis of my morality. And just why the hell should I agree with them? Because of how I feel about them.

According to that logic, if a person thinks that female genital mutilation is OK, it is OK.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Odin


No, there are universal moral and ethical standards based on human nature, though they they must be taken in particular cultural contexts.

That's what I said. I also said that each person has the responsibility to arrive at those standards individually.

You're a little bit thick, aren't you.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Odin



According to that logic, if a person thinks that female genital mutilation is OK, it is OK.

No it doesn't, you freak. That's exactly what I said it doesn't mean.

What I'm saying means that female genital mutilation is wrong because I think it's wrong.

[KrazyHorse]

Odin, you've demonstrated yourself to be completely out of your depth here.

If I were you I would cut my losses and leave.

If you do feel the urge to keep blathering, I'll be back sometime tonight.

[Odin]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


That's what I said. I also said that each person has the responsibility to arrive at those standards individually.

That just begging for inconsistancy because most people don't have training in logic. There is a reason we have ETHICISTS, people who have the training to point out inconsistancies in a moral or ethical belief.

[Odin]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


No it doesn't, you freak. That's exactly what I said it doesn't mean.

What I'm saying means that female genital mutilation is wrong because I think it's wrong.

INCONSISTANCY ALERT! If you say it is wrong, and another person say's it is permissible, who is right?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Odin


That just begging for inconsistancy because most people don't have training in logic. There is a reason we have ETHICISTS, people who have the training to point out inconsistancies in a moral or ethical belief.

Quoted so you can't erase this later.

[Odin]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Quoted so you can't erase this later.

Why would I want to erase it?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Odin


INCONSISTANCY ALERT! If you say it is wrong, and another person say's it is permissible, who is right?

It's not inconsistent. It's simple chauvinism.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Odin


Why would I want to erase it?

Seriously, dude.