The "explain Hegel to Dracon" thread.

[Nostromo]

Master and servant by Depeche mode

There’s a new game
We like to play you see
A game with added reality
You treat me like a dog
Get me down on my knees

We call it master and servant
We call it master and servant

It’s a lot like life
This play between the sheets
With you on top and me underneath
Forget all about equality

Let’s play master and servant
Let’s play master and servant

It’s a lot like life
And that’s what’s appealing
If you despise that throwaway feeling
From disposable fun
Then this is the one

Domination’s the name of the game
In bed or in life
They’re both just the same
Except in one you’re fulfilled
At the end of the day

Let’s play master and servant
Let’s play master and servant

Let’s play master and servant
Come on, master and servant

More seriously, here are entries about Hegel in internet encyclopedias:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hegel/

http://www.iep.utm.edu/h/hegelsoc.htm

Better yet, you can also check out Charles Taylor's Hegel.

[OzzyKP]

I like the original title better.

[Whaleboy]

Hegel, if you can cut through the mechanical language, was talking bollocks. However, he hints at this perversity that Edgar Allen Poe explored far more effectively so he's not entirely of no interest to me.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
bollocks

This pretty much sums up ALL German romanticist idealism.

[Dracon II]

Well this is what I've written so far... simply off the top of my head, so it's probably a load of crap. But then it's about Hegel, so maybe that means I'm on the right track

[Dracon II]

Hegel’s conception of self-consciousness initially pits the subject against a world of external objects. This relationship is characterised by tension; on the one hand the subject is self-conscious in that it is conscious of itself as acting upon the object-world, and of its project oriented conceptualization and use of the object-world as the object of its desires, of which it is self-conscious. But its knowledge of the object-world as it relates to self-consciousness is still only consciousness; the object-world is still seen as something separate, and does not, in-itself, validate or ratify the subject’s self-conscious projects as rational. For Hegel, this tension can only be resolved when self-consciousness attains universality, when self-consciousness incorporates the object world into itself. The subject initially attempts to achieve this by actively consuming the objects of its desires; incorporating them into itself, thus removing the tension between them. However, this process is inexhaustible and does not ultimately validate the subject’s project as rational. For Hegel, this can only occur if the project can be verified as rational by another self-conscious subject. The initial attempt to achieve this result is described in the various moments of the master-slave dialectic.

[chequita guevara]

Aggie's dislike of Hegel would explain why he's such a rotten Marxist.

[Dracon II]

the m/s dialectic is interesting insofar as I can see prefigurations of Marx in it, albeit muddied by idealism.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Aggie's dislike of Hegel would explain why he's such a rotten Marxist.

I take it as a small chance that he may come good in this life...

... if he overcomes the psychopathic need to hang people from lamp posts.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Aggie's dislike of Hegel would explain why he's such a rotten Marxist.

Why hang on to the completely worthless part of Marx?

Hegel's philosophy is of historical interest only. Analytical Philosophy destroyed the basis of Hegel's thought as completely and thoroughly as anything can be destroyed.

In any case, dialectical materialism does not require us to hang on to any of Hegel's categories of thought, because it doesn't really require us to hang on to any categories of thought at all, since the way people think is supposed to be determined by the economic basis of a society.

If being a Marxist is being the squeamish, paper hat version of it that you seem to like, then count me out.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by notyoueither


I take it as a small chance that he may come good in this life...

... if he overcomes the psychopathic need to hang people from lamp posts.

I don't grant personhood to right wingers, so this point is moot.

[chequita guevara]

Followers of Pol Pot are not allowed in the party.

[BeBMan]

Is this the beginning of purges in the CPA?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by JohnT
This is the internet. I'm sure he'll be able to find some appropriate "video" showing a true master/slave relationship.

"Prison Skanks 6: A Hegelian Interpretation"

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Agathon
Hegel's philosophy is of historical interest only. Analytical Philosophy destroyed the basis of Hegel's thought as completely and thoroughly as anything can be destroyed.

And you're teaching Plato?