An excellent NPR report on the White House exposing a CIA agent.

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NPR has just aired an excellent indepth report which covers the whole case from start to finish. It thoroughly debunks most of the lies and misinformation the right wing has attempted to put out on this case. The right wingers attempted to divert attention away from the leak by claiming the Ambassador's wife some how fixed him up with the assignment to varify the White House's claims that Iraq was trying to buy uranium from Niger. That was proven to be just another lie from the right wing misinformation machine.

In any event if you are interested in a day by day account of the case full of background information and context then NPR has an article you should listen to.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4970443

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National Pravda Radio

leftist lies

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A few weeks back I had Darkstar attempting to claim that all American media other then Fox and Rush Limbaugh were nothing but leftist lies. Initially he even claimed the BBC was in the Democrats pocket but he backed off of that claim when everyone started laughing at him.

NPR has an excellent reputation even though the Bush Administration has installed cronies in most of NPR's leadership positions. Luckily, the NPR still has a great deal of freedom on its reports despite the all attempts to change its reporting.

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Originally posted by Oerdin
A few weeks back I had Darkstar attempting to claim that all American media other then Fox and Rush Limbaugh were nothing but leftist lies. Initially he even claimed the BBC was in the Democrats pocket but he backed off of that claim when everyone started laughing at him.

Sorry I missed that one!



What a stupid thing to say!


Sometimes, you just got to wonder about some people.

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NPR has been giving a lot of airtime to libertarians as of late.

[OzzyKP]

Good for them.

I like NPR. It definitely has a leftist taint to it, but despite the bias they discuss issues in far more depth than the stupid political shock-jocks out there, and cable news channels. It doesn't sink to the lowest common denominator. (just the liberalist common denominator... heh)

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Can you please show evidence that NPR is some left wing news source? Even the Congressional Republican leadership has attempted to claim NPR was some sort of left wing organization but have been unable to show that is true. On the other hand massive bias and outright lies have been proven to routinely occur at Fox News.

I do know that Republicans claimed NPR was biased against them when NPR ran a series of articles on trickle down economics. What NPR did was get a large panel of experts including noble prize winning economists and the opinions of most of the experts were that trackle down wasn't a very efficent or very good as an economic theory. The Republicans pounced and said NPR was biased or else its panel would have sided with trickle down economics.

Those panels of experts which NPR runs are pretty broadly based and just because the panel of experts concludes that certain government policies aren't very good doesn't mean NPR hates Republicans or is even biased against them. Instead it just means that on an objective analysis some of the policies the government has inacted are not the best policies for the country.

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Originally posted by OzzyKP
Good for them.

I like NPR. It definitely has a leftist taint to it, but despite the bias they discuss issues in far more depth than the stupid political shock-jocks out there, and cable news channels. It doesn't sink to the lowest common denominator. (just the liberalist common denominator... heh)

The "Leftist Taint" is from the fact they don't just repeat all the official positions, they go out and find which one is more correct. Refeuting Shrub's lies does not make NPR leftist, it shows they have good, competent journalism.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Can you please show evidence that NPR is some left wing news source? Even the Congressional Republican leadership has attempted to claim NPR was some sort of right wing organization but have been unable to show that is true. On the other hand massive bias and out lies have been proven to routinely occur at Fox News.

I do know that Republicans claimed NPR was biased against them when NPR ran a serious of articles on trickle down economics. What NPR did was get a large panel of experts including noble prize winning economists and the opinions of most of the experts were that trackle down wasn't a very efficent or very good as an economic theory. The Republicans pounced and said NPR was biased or else its panel would have sided with trickle down economics.

Those panels of experts which NPR runs are pretty broadly based and just because the panel of experts concludes that certain government policies aren't very good doesn't mean NPR hates Republicans or is even biased against them. Instead it just means that on an objective analysis some of the policies the government has inacted are not the best policies for the country.

Bingo. Good Journalism is not just giving all the sides to the debate. It is also pointing out positions that are filled inconsistancies, lies, misinformation etc.

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Ha, I say I like NPR and then people attack me.

No, their bias isn't as overt or grating as Fox News, but it is definitely there. Typically their guests are very weighted to the left. Maybe they'll have a moderate republican vs. a moderate democrat and a hard core democrat and claim that's balanced.

Its also a bias based on their starting point, not necessarily their conclusions. The issues they chose to cover are typically liberal issues like the class divide, poverty, racism, etc. Then the discussion always proceeds from the starting question of whether the government is doing enough to alleiviate the problem or not. Never looking for other explinations for the problem or other solutions.

Its not that they are deliberately going out of their way to propagandize us, its just that their assumptions are fundamentally left-wing.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I do know that Republicans claimed NPR was biased against them when NPR ran a serious of articles on trickle down economics. What NPR did was get a large panel of experts including noble prize winning economists and the opinions of most of the experts were that trackle down wasn't a very efficent or very good as an economic theory. The Republicans pounced and said NPR was biased or else its panel would have sided with trickle down economics.

See the whole point of the program was to challenge the idea of trickle down economics. The question they ask at the very beginning that sets the tone for the whole program is "is this a valid theory? Lets ask our experts." So that puts the one moderate republican on the defensive and sets up the liberals on the attack.

Think of it the other way if they set up the show as "Has the welfare state outlived its usefulness? Lets ask our experts." It sets an entirely different tone.

But they never run shows on issues they take for granted (i.e. liberal issues).

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Ah, Ozzy has learned much being in DC . Yep, the tone of the interview and the main question posed has an effect on how it will be undertaken.

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Originally posted by OzzyKP

See the whole point of the program was to challenge the idea of trickle down economics.

No, the whole point of the article was to review a prominent government policy using expert analysis. That's not attacking anything that is reviewing current government policy.

BTW I wasn't jumping on you I was just asking for some proof that NPR isn't a paragon of how responsible journalism should be run.

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Originally posted by OzzyKP


See the whole point of the program was to challenge the idea of trickle down economics. The question they ask at the very beginning that sets the tone for the whole program is "is this a valid theory? Lets ask our experts." So that puts the one moderate republican on the defensive and sets up the liberals on the attack.

Maybe that is because the Right has more positions that are BS than the Left.

[OzzyKP]

Originally posted by Oerdin
No, the whole point of the article was to review a prominent government policy using expert analysis. That's not attacking anything that is reviewing current government policy.

BTW I wasn't jumping on you I was just asking for some proof that NPR isn't a paragon of how responsible journalism should be run.

I wonder if they were as critical when Hillary's healthcare plan was proposed.