Nightwish fires Tarja Turunen

[Skanky Burns]

Sucks. Hopefully the band can survive this.

[Andemagne]

Originally posted by Aivo½so
Here's a bit more info from Helsingin Sanomat's international edition...

Helsingin Sanomat getting it all wrong again. Nightwish is not Power Metal. how can countrys biggest news paper have so many mistakes as HS do? I never read HS.


Sir Og: NW was going to have 2 year vacation anyway, so there never was a chance of NW being in Bulgaria next summer.

Originally posted by Spiffor
Well, I guess that the only remaining Finnish music will be Pikku G now

no. there are lots of good bands comming from finnland nowadays. and no, I don't speak of HIM or Rasmus.

Originally posted by Aivo½so
I was never the biggest fan of their music but this is a bad thing nevertheless, when it comes to export-oriented Finnish bands I maybe prefer HIM to Nightwish but the latter was still miles ahead the abomination of Rasmus. However, Tuomas Holopainen seems like an intelligent fellow so maybe he gets the band out of this mess.

One thing that bothers me about Finnish export bands is the often poor quality of the lyrics which results from their having to sing in English, songs with a lot of embarrassing grammatical and stylistic errors might still be accepted in central Europe but thinking about people in Anglo-Saxon countries hearing some of this stuff makes me feel ashamed.

Aivo: it was Tarja who the band into this mess, not Holopainen. and poor lyrics is not the case with NW.

[Meticulous Man]

I didn't mean Holopainen caused this but rather that I hope that he will get the band OUT of this situation. I wasn't being ironic... Or maybe I was, but not in the way you understood it. Clearly Holopainen has always been the driving force behind the band.

I have no idea where the English HS got the "Power Metal" part from, in the printed version they didn't claim Nightwish did Power Metal.

[Sir Og]

Originally posted by Andemagne


Sir Og: NW was going to have 2 year vacation anyway, so there never was a chance of NW being in Bulgaria next summer.

I read this in a Bulgarian online rock magazine. But unfortunately it doesn't really matter now.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Sir Og
The perfect replacement for Tarja Turunen is Alexandra Raeva.





She has the voice (opera background) and she definately has the looks.

Highly hittable.

[Namaste]

I see nothing terribly wrong with calling Nightwish power metal. Their sound has been moving away from power metal since Century Child, but their albums before that were firmly a part of that genre. The fact that they added symphonic elements and a soprano on vocals doesn't change that, and I would still, if asked to describe them with a simple genre designation, call them power metal.

[Last Conformist]

The subclassifications of metal are enough to drive a grown man to sobbing dissolution.

Are there any candidates for Turunen's replacement being mentioned?

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
The subclassifications of metal are enough to drive a grown man to sobbing dissolution.

How about the subclassifications of electronica?

[Last Conformist]

Thanks for ruining my day.

[Skanky Burns]

You made my day though.

[Namaste]

I wield the subgenres of metal with skill and ease.

[Andemagne]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
Are there any candidates for Turunen's replacement being mentioned?

no. I think Holopainen hopes that Tarja comes back to her senses.
yellow papers have dozens of suggestions starting from local Idols-canditates and ending to real metal singers.


Namaste: have you heard Angels Fall First? that's not power metal. Holopainen himself describes NW's music as heavy metal with opera singing.

to me, power metal is italian macho men playing poorly written songs. Nightwish is not that.

[Namaste]

Yes, I actually have all of their albums except 'Once' because I lost patience with the quality decline. The songs in Angels Fall First aren't stereotypical 'happy-metal' power metal for certain, but they're still essentially power metal, and that is the sound they developed into their most definitive albums.

A lot of people try to distance themselves from power metal. Laiho in Children of Bodom does it too, though far more hilariously. It's because the genre has those negative associations that you noted; "italian macho men playing poorly written songs" <---do I hear Rhapsody?

But the truth is, that's just a definition for bad power metal.

Power Metal itself is just the branch off of Speed Metal that follows closer to the traditional style of heavy metal, just generally more epic and with more double bass and fairly slow chord progressions. Nightwish fit pretty well within that category.

[tomcat ha]

I dont like nightwish. Give me Amorphis, Mokomaa, Äirut,Moonsorrow, Viikate and Terasbetoni but no Nightwish.

[Jeje2]

Originally posted by Andemagne
no. I think Holopainen hopes that Tarja comes back to her senses.

I do hope they won't rejoin.
There was so much talk about the band being a lifestyle (good for the guys) and not about money (as it had apereantly become for Tarja) that if they were to rejoin one could only think (the break was very rude) it was done for the money...

So let's hope both can survive on their own.