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    After troubled negotiations in Geneva, the US may be forced to relinquish control of the internet to a coalition of governments.


    Breaking America's grip on the net

    After troubled negotiations in Geneva, the US may be forced to relinquish control of the internet to a coalition of governments

    Kieren McCarthy
    Thursday October 6, 2005
    The Guardian


    You would expect an announcement that would forever change the face of the internet to be a grand affair - a big stage, spotlights, media scrums and a charismatic frontman working the crowd.

    But unless you knew where he was sitting, all you got was David Hendon's slightly apprehensive voice through a beige plastic earbox. The words were calm, measured and unexciting, but their implications will be felt for generations to come.

    Hendon is the Department for Trade and Industry's director of business relations and was in Geneva representing the UK government and European Union at the third and final preparatory meeting for next month's World Summit on the Information Society. He had just announced a political coup over the running of the internet.

    Old allies in world politics, representatives from the UK and US sat just feet away from each other, but all looked straight ahead as Hendon explained the EU had decided to end the US government's unilateral control of the internet and put in place a new body that would now run this revolutionary communications medium.

    The issue of who should control the net had proved an extremely divisive issue, and for 11 days the world's governments traded blows. For the vast majority of people who use the internet, the only real concern is getting on it. But with the internet now essential to countries' basic infrastructure - Brazil relies on it for 90% of its tax collection - the question of who has control has become critical.

    And the unwelcome answer for many is that it is the US government. In the early days, an enlightened Department of Commerce (DoC) pushed and funded expansion of the internet. And when it became global, it created a private company, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann) to run it.

    But the DoC retained overall control, and in June stated what many had always feared: that it would retain indefinite control of the internet's foundation - its "root servers", which act as the basic directory for the whole internet.

    A number of countries represented in Geneva, including Brazil, China, Cuba, Iran and several African states, insisted the US give up control, but it refused. The meeting "was going nowhere", Hendon says, and so the EU took a bold step and proposed two stark changes: a new forum that would decide public policy, and a "cooperation model" comprising governments that would be in overall charge.

    Much to the distress of the US, the idea proved popular. Its representative hit back, stating that it "can't in any way allow any changes" that went against the "historic role" of the US in controlling the top level of the internet.

    But the refusal to budge only strengthened opposition, and now the world's governments are expected to agree a deal to award themselves ultimate control. It will be officially raised at a UN summit of world leaders next month and, faced with international consensus, there is little the US government can do but acquiesce.

    But will this move mean, as the US ambassador David Gross argued, that "even on technical details, the industry will have to follow government-set policies, UN-set policies"?

    No, according to Nitin Desai, the UN's special adviser on internet governance. "There is clearly an acceptance here that governments are not concerned with the technical and operational management of the internet. Standards are set by the users."

    Hendon is also adamant: "The really important point is that the EU doesn't want to see this change as bringing new government control over the internet. Governments will only be involved where they need to be and only on issues setting the top-level framework."

    Human rights

    But expert and author of Ruling the Root, Milton Mueller, is not so sure. An overseeing council "could interfere with standards. What would stop it saying 'when you're making this standard for data transfer you have to include some kind of surveillance for law enforcement'?"

    Then there is human rights. China has attracted criticism for filtering content from the net within its borders. Tunisia - host of the World Summit - has also come under attack for silencing online voices. Mueller doesn't see a governmental overseeing council having any impact: "What human rights groups want is for someone to be able to bring some kind of enforceable claim to stop them violating people's rights. But how's that going to happen? I can't see that a council is going to be able to improve the human rights situation."

    And what about business? Will a governmental body running the internet add unnecessary bureaucracy or will it bring clarity and a coherent system? Mueller is unsure: "The idea of the council is so vague. It's not clear to me that governments know what to do about anything at this stage apart from get in the way of things that other people do."

    There are still dozens of unanswered questions but all the answers are pointing the same way: international governments deciding the internet's future. The internet will never be the same again.
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  • #2
    What I want to know is how ICANN could be forced to give over control. I'm interested in the nuts and bolts of this scenario.
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    • #3
      say, ICANN is a government corporation, no?
      urgh.NSFW

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      • #4
        so my understanding is that a group of nations asked the US to hand over control of the root servers of the internet

        the US refused

        then the nations talked, and decided that they now had control of the root servers of the internet..

        huh?

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        • #5
          The only option the EU really has is to start their own internet and hope users switch to it. In all likelihood it would be an incompatable and competiting standard so we'll see how many people are interested in switching given how much money has been invested in the current set up.
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          • #6
            As many you will probably notice, there are a "few" posts missing... I would highly recommend you DON'T SPAM this thread... Spamming a HIGHLY VISIBILE TO THE MODS thread (ie, started by our fearless leader) is not the smartest thing you can do.

            So the next person that thinks it would be funny to spam this thread will find themselves restricted with no warning...

            In addition... it's also pretty dumb to use silly games to get around the censor... again, in a thread that will in all likely hood be viewed by the person that put the censor in place...

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            • #7
              So, show of hands, who wants to be taxed to use the internet?

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              • #8
                I want to know what I missed that got Minged.
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                • #9
                  I was SPAMING? I thought I made a perfectly legitimate comment, albeit in an off-color way.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                    I was SPAMING? I thought I made a perfectly legitimate comment, albeit in an off-color way.
                    Spam is a matter of opinion, and unfortunately, our opinion is the one that matters

                    And second... playing silly games to get around the censor is against the rules. The owners OF THIS PRIVATE SITE have the censors turned on for a reason.
                    The fact that you have to play silly games to get around it just proves you know it's against the rules...
                    Please respect their wishes... or get banned
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                    • #11
                      Restating Che's point:

                      Why should the US comply? Hands off.
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                      • #12
                        Oh, man, Japher is in trouble.


                        So, could anyone answer my question?
                        urgh.NSFW

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                        • #13
                          Perhaps Bush is soothsayer when he talked about the InternetS
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                          • #14
                            I'm also quite curious ... how does this physically work ??? ICANN controls the root DNS servers, IIRC, so that means if Europe wants to take over (their own) internet, they'd just start some DNS servers that don't link back to ICANN, and suggest/require that European servers don't send ICANN their DNS entries??

                            I have a feeling that this will end up being a national-level-control situation, where ICANN controls American servers, EUCANN controls European ones, CCANN controls Chinese servers, etc., and little tiny countries like Nigeria get to pick who they team up with. The only problem, is that there are only 256 base IP addresses (ie 0.X.X.X, 1.X.X.X, ... 255.X.X.X), so they'll have to somehow split these up ... probably America gets over 100, Europe gets 70-100, China gets a small amount, etc. ...

                            Edit:
                            I wonder if it's possible that instead of splitting up the 1.X.X.X addresses, that they'll add a fifth level:

                            (US).X.X.X.X
                            (EU).X.X.X.X
                            (CH).X.X.X.X

                            etc... obviously numbers instead of letters, say 0 = UN, 10=US, 80=EU, 150=CHina, etc. ... separating the numbers by a lot so as to have room for more US numbers later on.

                            There's no particular reason we use sets of 4 0-255 in IP addresses ... and we'll eventually need to increase the number anyway ...

                            The only issue is that all current software would have to be set up to accept the fifth digit. It's quite possible that a workaround could be done at the DNS level temporarily, for a few years, until we used up all of the available 255.255.255.255 ip addys ...
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                            • #15
                              It's not nessecary to split the adress room, just place filters on the lines to US that only allows presplit adresses to cross.

                              It will not take long before US have to give in and rejoin the rest of the world.
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