The climate change thread

[child of Thor]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4375062.stm

In 20 years most of the uk's nuclear power stations will be due to go off line. Some are hoping our current 3% level of renewable energy usage will in that time grow to become more like 30%.
I guess it is possible with projects like these, but is the will really there to plan for this properly - or will it all be fudged quickly in the crisis momments?

[Barnabas]

Eli

[child of Thor]

a cool little snippet here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4373148.stm

I've been thinking of setting something up like this, planning permision being the biggest hurdle(or so i thought).

So a few grand+what ever the solar heating system costs(not sure on that, maybe a few grand also?), i could go for that - its about the same price as a decent central heating upgrade, maybe a grand or so more, but not that expensive.

I guess i'd like a system that powers all my pc's+consoles etc - they keep the room warm in winter+provide the light to see by at night

[C0ckney]

21c at the end of october, love that global warming

[Spiffor]

It was frigging HOT at the construction site today. I hate that global warming!

[Solly]

Sahara rain for us Brits tonight too, you never got that pre-global warming!

[child of Thor]

This was different - enviroment group fined for damage to a protected reef in the pacific

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4395572.stm

just what is the world coming too?

EDIT: damn those commie,pinko,anti-capitalist,anarchist devils and their ship

[Spiffor]

Well, them Phils have no balls. They should have sank that filthy Rainbiw Warrior. We Frenchies should show'em how it's done

[child of Thor]

tsk tsk - the french were way out of order on that i feel, or at the very least re-acted over the top!!

anyway new enviro news to sadden the soul:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4415818.stm

i'm afraid Mr.Blair is making sounds like he wants to think about leaving the Kyoto agreement too!! Ok i can understand the impact on the economy, but still i would hope in a world with visably changing climatic changes - the politicians would try to make a stand. what goods an economy if you aint got a world to run it in??

even if the various countries cant meet their targets by x %, surely to try is better than not try? any progress is progress as the saying goes.

[child of Thor]

If your a fan of good nature documentaries, one of the best is set to make another(showing on uk tv soon):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4442578.stm

And i'm also interested to hear what the great Sir David Attenborough will have for us in maybe his last big work which will deal with climate change

If anybody can get through to the unintrested masses(and Governments), then it will be him.

[The Mad Viking]

R a

I don't know how much effort any of you have actually put into understanding "climate change". It is distressing to me how people simply assume that climate change is antropogenic.

I have taken the time to read the "Summary for Policy Makers" (SPM) of the Third Assessment Report (TAR). Its long. You can download it from the IPCC website.

IPCC doesn't host the SAR anymore. I would like a copy, if anyone here knows where I can get it.

Reading the SPM, it was clear that this was not a paper but a polemic. In non-scientific terms, it is an editorial, not a piece of journalism. It is distressing to me.

I recently found an excellent article that you all should take the time to read. It is far more open, honest, and well-written than the SPM.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/climate.html

[Immortal Wombat]

Re: R a

Originally posted by The Mad Viking
I don't know how much effort any of you have actually put into understanding "climate change". It is distressing to me how people simply assume that climate change is antropogenic.

Much. This is in addition to having tediously detailed lectures on the subject every morning.

I recently found an excellent article that you all should take the time to read. It is far more open, honest, and well-written than the SPM.

It is exactly the same amount one-sided, however.

[The Mad Viking]

Re: Re: R a

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
It is exactly the same amount one-sided, however.

False. Totally false. How can you say this?

He didn't even try to refute the technical TAR. He simply pointed out the omissions of the SPM.

[Immortal Wombat]

He only pointed out the omissions of the SPM.

Of course, really, his was intended to be one-sided, as a complement to the side offered by the SPM.

[child of Thor]

Re: R a

Originally posted by The Mad Viking
I don't know how much effort any of you have actually put into understanding "climate change". It is distressing to me how people simply assume that climate change is antropogenic.

edit..

well for my part, i'm purely ametuer - i have no formal training on the subject. I just share a concern for the lack of concern over the issue as expressed by many of our governments.

My phiolosphy on climate change is quite simple. We have one planet to try to live on, so maybe we should take the more cautious approach in our actions that 'might' have a negative effect on the world around us.

Is the extra billions that a billionaire may gain worth the future of the planet? I just dont think so. At the end of the day this is all our planet - activities of the mega rich that 'may' damage that legacy isn't the progressive way forward their accountants are telling us is so imho.

Also the impact of post industrialisation and the apparent speeding up of the degredation of our habitat might be more than coincidence? can we afford to take the chance thats its not? Greed vs the future - i'll take the future thanks.

stuff like that. And thanks for the link - i'm glad a few people are interested in the topic