The Governor General has passed, Long Live the GG!

[Wezil]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Congratulations. You've managed to insert one fact in here. Unfortunately, that fact has no bearing on the issue you brought up.

I've brought up several facts actually, but you automatically reject them.

My point on this issue was that this former supporter of the GG position does not anymore. Do you think I am the only one?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Wezil


I've brought up several facts actually, but you automatically reject them

Such as? That the G-G should have broken with a couple of hundred years of parliamentary tradition and dissolved parliament without a formal motion of no confidence?

That's an opinion, not a fact. Not a particularly valuable one, either...

[Kontiki]

I would think you are in an extremely small minority. I can't see many people's opinions on the position of GG swayed by our last round of parliamentary intrigue.

[Wezil]

All right KH, I'll throw you a bone.

You are absolutely right. The continuation of a corrupt government through the outright buying of votes is much preferable.

[KrazyHorse]

The Government followed House rules. Martin was under no obligation to make it easy on the Opposition, nor would I expect a career politician to do so.

The House was virtually split up the middle. In such a situation it really does come down to who can out-politick the other. The Conservatives once more demonstrated their disunity and amateurishness.

Martin got his 9 month delay legally. Good for him...

[KrazyHorse]

Ooh, thanks for throwing me a bone.



You really had me on the run there...

[KrazyHorse]

You know Conservatives in Canada are desperate when their only hope to win an election is to force a vote at the nadir of the other party's fortunes...

[Wezil]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
You know Conservatives in Canada are desperate when their only hope to win an election is to force a vote at the nadir of the other party's fortunes...

You seem to be implying I am a Conservative. Not so.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Wezil
Remember, Martin would not allow an official confidence vote....

When Commons is thwarted from the usual procedure by a government desperate to buy time (and votes), but still make absolutely clear their lack of confidence, the GG should have stepped in. Yes.

I have heard it mentioned by some blatherer on talk radio that Clarkson asked Harper if he wanted to form a government. He said no. That meant waiting for Martin's motion or an immediate trip to the polls. She stood back and let Parliament sort itself out, which is what happened. About day 3 of the 'crisis' Harper accepted that Martin's money bill would be the decider.

Clarkson did a good job, IMO. She was not supposed to jump into the middle and make history. She was supposed to act to facilitate stable government in Canada, which she did.

[KrazyHorse]

Who said you were a Conservative?

I was laughing at the Conservative party and their complete lack of political sense or discipline.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Who said you were a Conservative?

I was laughing at the Conservative party and their complete lack of political sense or discipline.

You mention them several times in counter argument to my points. I don't give a damn about inept Conservatives or blackmailing NDP'ers. Both were irrelevant to the discussion IMHO.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
The Government followed House rules. Martin was under no obligation to make it easy on the Opposition, nor would I expect a career politician to do so.

The House was virtually split up the middle. In such a situation it really does come down to who can out-politick the other. The Conservatives once more demonstrated their disunity and amateurishness.

Martin got his 9 month delay legally. Good for him...

No, they didn't. Martin's response to the committee motion should have been to move his own motion of confidence immediately to clear the air. That's by the rules. He didn't. He refused. That's the crisis.

Harper and Duceppe then took over Parliament and refused to allow any business to be conducted. They could do that, because they had a majority, and they maintained that the government had lost confidence and was thus illegitimate. That's the rules.

Strange thing happened though. Harper backed down and accepted Martin's proposal for a delay in the confidence issue being decided. Have to wonder why, since he and Duceppe were clearly running the show.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by notyoueither


No, they didn't. Martin's response to the committee motion should have been to move his own motion of confidence immediately to clear the air.

Should have been? Who knows.

He wasn't obligated to do so by any rule, law or Constitutional precept that I'm aware of.

Martin's actions certainly deepened the Constitutional crisis, but as far as I'm concerned business was conducted legally all around.

The Opposition is allowed to **** with the Government if they have the power to do so

The Government is allowed to set the schedule of Parliamentary business within certain guidlines

The G-G is supposed to sit tight and try to postpone elections for as long as possible until the government is brought down by a vote of no confidence and no further government can be formed out of the sitting Parliament.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Wezil


You mention them several times in counter argument to my points

a) You have no point (at least none supported by any substantive argument)

b) My discussion style (I refuse to honour most of my discussions here by calling them arguments or debates) consists of two distinct parts (usually in this order, but not necessarily)

i) A serious post detailing my actual viewpoint on topics related materially to the focus of the discussion

ii) A short post in which I relate the focus of the discussion to one of the following hot-button issues: the Conservatives are born losers, George Bush is an idiot, Europeans are all secretly authoritarian, the Chinese suck, Japanese people are weird, Canada is the greatest country in the world, Alberta sucks, the Maple Leafs suck, hockey is the greatest sport in the world, I'm the biggest stud on the planet, I'm the smartest person on the planet, Danish people drink and make porn, British people are ugly, Finns were allies of the Nazis, we won the war of 1812, Montreal is the greatest city on the planet

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
The Government followed House rules. Martin was under no obligation to make it easy on the Opposition, nor would I expect a career politician to do so.

The House was virtually split up the middle. In such a situation it really does come down to who can out-politick the other. The Conservatives once more demonstrated their disunity and amateurishness.

Martin got his 9 month delay legally. Good for him...

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