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    'Years locked in mental institution'
    Vera Stein, a German woman, describes a harrowing ordeal of being falsely imprisoned in a mental institution, tied to beds and given injections. She emerged from hospital a physical wreck, and will never recover fully from the effects of the drugs she was forced to take.
    But as the BBC's Ray Furlong reports in the latest in our Who Runs Your World? season on power and who wields it, her case is not an isolated one.

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    Forty-seven-year-old Vera Stein clambers into her electric wheelchair and drives into her spartanly decorated lounge.
    Her disability is just one of the effects of mental health drugs that were pumped into her against her will.

    This year Vera won compensation from the European Court of Human Rights, after it ruled that she had been illegally detained for years in clinics, despite being mentally healthy.

    They used physical force to inject me

    Vera Stein

    "I was nearly 19 years old, so I was an adult, when my father had me committed to a clinic in Bremen," she told me.

    "I was put straight in a locked ward. The necessary court order was not obtained for this. I was given double measures of drugs to pacify me. They used physical force to inject me with 17 different types of drugs."

    Under German law, to commit someone to a clinic they must either sign their consent, or a court order must be obtained. But in this case her father simply won the agreement of the health authorities to lock up his daughter.

    In total, she spent nearly 20 years in institutions as a result of this. Worse still, her case is not unique.

    "The mere possibility of withdrawing a person from legal life in co-operation with a psycho-medical system will always lead to abuse - and there we do have some problems," says psychiatrist Helmut Pollaehne.

    He says the control mechanisms to prevent cases like Vera Stein's are not sufficient.

    For example, he argues that so-called "visiting commissions" always announce their visits beforehand, weakening their control function - and warns that privatisation in the health sector makes it all the more important for the state to defend the rights of people who are in mental health institutions.

    'Not rare'

    "Within the German legal system, this is a rare case because the victims of psychiatric power are not very successful in taking their case to the court," Dr Pollaehne said.

    "But in terms of being a victim - I mean being a victim of the abuse of psychiatry - it was not a rare case in the 1970s and it's not a rare case nowadays."

    Ms Stein is now a crusader against the use of psychiatry to lock people up.

    "The association of German judges has also complained that forced incarceration, forced treatments, and violations of personal freedoms take place in a legal grey zone," she says.

    She adds that a recent study at Goettingen University showed the number of people held in psychiatric clinics against their will has trebled in the last decade.
    Now, I don't doubt this is a problem outside of Germany as well. But, wow, twenty years in a mental institution for someone who is sane!? Makes you wonder how many other people being incarcerated in mental institutions are in fact people who aren't a danger to society who are being held against their will...
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    Horrific - this kind of thing never happens in the US
    Speaking of Erith:

    "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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    • #3
      it is real scary

      I know a bit about the mental institutions here, not as much as I should though..

      I do know that they don't really get down to the root cause and help a lot of their patients, they mostly seem to prefer to just proscribe drugs

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      • #4
        Mmmm, drugs...
        Speaking of Erith:

        "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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        • #5
          well, in my dad's case they prescribed lithium, as well as some other stuff, that did him no good

          like I think that some stuff helped, but a lot didn't... (a lot made him less able to do thinsg)

          JM
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Provost Harrison
            Horrific - this kind of thing never happens in the US
            It doesn't. It used to, and there were a lot of scandals, but a couple of court cases were won by the institutionalized and now we just throw our crazy people out on the streets.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jon Miller
              it is real scary

              I know a bit about the mental institutions here, not as much as I should though..

              I do know that they don't really get down to the root cause and help a lot of their patients, they mostly seem to prefer to just proscribe drugs

              JM
              Well there is an incentive for psychiatrists to lock people up though, the more people they lock up in mental wards the greater demand there is for psychiatrists.

              According toWikipedia, psychiatrists do sometimes lie to keep people committed..
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              • #8
                Originally posted by DanS


                It doesn't. It used to, and there were a lot of scandals, but a couple of court cases were won by the institutionalized and now we just throw our crazy people out on the streets.
                I thought you vote them to offices?
                I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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                • #9
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Shi Huangdi


                    Well there is an incentive for psychiatrists to lock people up though, the more people they lock up in mental wards the greater demand there is for psychiatrists.

                    According toWikipedia, psychiatrists do sometimes lie to keep people committed..

                    Shrinks are scum.

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                    • #11
                      You can stick a completely sane person into a mental institution and it'll be a while before they manage to get out.

                      For example, if you ask for a paper and pencil so you can draw, it's noted on your file as 'obsessive drawing behaviour'.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tattila the Hun


                        I thought you vote them to offices?
                        Well, obviously. But there are fewer public offices than crazy people available. The surplus are thrown out on the streets.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sandman
                          You can stick a completely sane person into a mental institution and it'll be a while before they manage to get out.

                          For example, if you ask for a paper and pencil so you can draw, it's noted on your file as 'obsessive drawing behaviour'.
                          That's right- there is a famous study where a psychologist had some grad students fake symptoms of schizophrenia to get admitted to a mental hospital, and then once inside the hospital the grad students acted completely normal. The people inside however were completely convinced they were insane, for instance they interpreted them taking notes as obsessive note taking behavior.
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                          • #14
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DanS


                              Well, obviously. But there are fewer public offices than crazy people available. The surplus are thrown out on the streets.
                              Good answer.
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