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    There’s an interesting legal case pending in Britain about the employment rights of prominent BNP activists-



    A BRITISH National Party councillor could win thousands of pounds in compensation after he successfully appealed against an employment tribunal finding that he was lawfully sacked.
    Arthur Redfearn, a Bradford BNP councillor, is now set to face a fresh tribunal hearing in a case that could have wide implications for employers who take on staff who are members of the far-Right party.
    After a hearing in London, Mr Justice Burton, president of the Employment Appeals Tribunal, has ruled that the decision of the original tribunal in Leeds earlier this year should be quashed.
    Coun Redfearn had claimed racial discrimination after being sacked in June last year as a bus driver with West Yorkshire Transport Services (WYTS) when it was discovered he was standing for election to Bradford Council.
    WYTS's parent company, Serco, claimed the decision to fire Coun Redfearn was made on health and safety grounds because it was feared its buses, which carry mainly Asian disabled children and adults, could be attacked once his political affiliation became known. It also said it was acting in his best interests because he could also have been attacked.
    But Coun Redfearn had argued that his dismissal was directly related to his involvement with the BNP despite it being a legitimate political party.
    He claimed the "whites only" membership of the party meant that if he was dismissed for being a member that would in effect constitute racial discrimination on the grounds of his skin colour.
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    It’s been prominently featured around the unions, and featured in this year’s TUC congress.



    There are a few intriguing grey areas that will be examined in the courts, such as these-

    1- Should employees be allowed to conduct whatever political activity they choose without censure from their employer?

    2- Should employers have the right to fire staff whose political activities threaten to damage (directly or indirectly) their business activities? Or corporate values?

    3- Should the BNP be allowed to use safeguards against indirect racial discrimination to protect their members, when such indirect racial discrimination is actually a result of their own direct racial discrimination?
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    • #3
      1- Should employees be allowed to conduct whatever political activity they choose without censure from their employer?


      yes.


      2- Should employers have the right to fire staff whose political activities threaten to damage (directly or indirectly) their business activities? Or corporate values?


      not indirectly, no.

      3- Should the BNP be allowed to use safeguards against indirect racial discrimination to protect their members, when such indirect racial discrimination is actually a result of their own direct racial discrimination?

      yes, though I don't know how this is the case of racial discrimination.
      urgh.NSFW

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      • #4
        It is kind of wrong to fire people for their political beliefs even if they are asshats. As long as he doesn't bring his politics into the work place he should get a chance to work just like everyone else.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Az
          yes, though I don't know how this is the case of racial discrimination.
          You didn't understand the question.

          The man in question is claiming that because the BNP restricts its membership to whites, the discrimination against somebody based on their affiliation with the BNP constitutes racial discrimination, because it can only affect whites.
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          • #6
            Laz is asking if this sort of indirect racial argument should be allowed.
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            • #7
              The man in question is claiming that because the BNP restricts its membership to whites, the discrimination against somebody based on their affiliation with the BNP constitutes racial discrimination, because it can only affect whites.
              The man in question chose his affiliation with the BNP, it's not like he was born a member. It is not racial discrimination, it's knowing he's a bigot and treating him like one.
              Monkey!!!

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              • #8

                You didn't understand the question.

                The man in question is claiming that because the BNP restricts its membership to whites, the discrimination against somebody based on their affiliation with the BNP constitutes racial discrimination, because it can only affect whites.


                that's ridiculous!
                urgh.NSFW

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                • #9
                  Nobody ever said it wasn't.
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                  • #10
                    I'm assuming that your answer to number 3 is therefore changed to "no", then?
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                    • #11
                      more like 'wtf?! hell no'
                      urgh.NSFW

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                      • #12
                        Re: Racial discrimination against BNP members?

                        Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
                        1- Should employees be allowed to conduct whatever political activity they choose without censure from their employer?
                        it will certainly be interesting to see how the courts approach this one. it would be very hard for them to say that someone doing something perfectly legal outside of work is grounds for sacking someone.

                        2- Should employers have the right to fire staff whose political activities threaten to damage (directly or indirectly) their business activities? Or corporate values?
                        reading this from the yorkshire post article

                        "We say the health and safety justification is a thin veneer for the real reason for dismissal."
                        At the time of the dismissal Coun Redfearn was delivering mail, not driving members of the public.
                        if this is the case the court may say that his activities weren't damging or threating to damage the company and leave this point undecided. or they might say something about it anyway.

                        3- Should the BNP be allowed to use safeguards against indirect racial discrimination to protect their members, when such indirect racial discrimination is actually a result of their own direct racial discrimination?
                        you've got to admire the way they're using the racial discrimination law here
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Oerdin
                          It is kind of wrong to fire people for their political beliefs even if they are asshats. As long as he doesn't bring his politics into the work place he should get a chance to work just like everyone else.


                          I would even say that it is absolutelyessential to democracy
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                            urgh.NSFW

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Japher


                              The man in question chose his affiliation with the BNP, it's not like he was born a member. It is not racial discrimination, it's knowing he's a bigot and treating him like one.
                              Did he bring his politics into the office or was this simply a case of people found out he was in a given political party and fired him? This seems to be an important bit of information since Britain does not, I believe, have fire at will laws like most US states have.
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