$200 billion government bribe for New Orleans

[DinoDoc]

It really is tiresome having to explain that Neo-conservatism is an IR school of thought without a domestic agenda. Seriously, anytime someone does something that you people dislike you claim that Neo-cons are behind it. It's somewhat disturbing to see that level of paranoia and fear.

[child of Thor]

I dont
but i do hate political parties/politicians that sully the good name of a country for dubious and false reasons as hindsight shows us.
maybe you should ask why do i hate neo-cons so much? the answer would be what i posted above plus i just hate liars.

I have yet to meet an american i can say i've hated outright, but i think you should hold your government accountable for its actions, and look beyond party politics; much as i have done with the labour party and Tony blair over here

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by child of Thor
maybe you should ask why do i hate neo-cons so much?

I'd have to actually care about the answer in order to ask the question. I don't. It's the ignorance espoused by the people that think attacking neo-cons over domestic issues furthers their case that irritates me.

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
It really is tiresome having to explain that Neo-conservatism is an IR school of thought without a domestic agenda. Seriously, anytime someone does something that you people dislike you claim that Neo-cons are behind it. It's somewhat disturbing to see that level of paranoia and fear.

Its good to be paranoid sometimes I may overblow things sometimes, but after help from Imran(pointing me in the direction of staussian philosophy) and other sources the smoke began to clear and i dont care if you claim to be a cuddly neo-con, that doesn't get away from the fact that its all about lieing to the public and using war as a means for changing a soverign nation into a more pro-american primarily,but democratic generaly; nation.

But your point about the neo-cons not having a domestic agenda isn't strickly true. One of the founding principles of straussian and by extension neo-con, is to create myths about the nation(like what the neo-cons did to get bush to call on the religous previously mostly non-voting public to get the last election) even if the leader, spokes person dosn't believe it themselves.

Neo-conservitism is a whole political philosophy for ruling a nation and making it easy to control/predict. I guess as the neo-cons have found their home in the republican partry, they have to tone down this domestic agenda somewhat, after all the whole movement comes out of a bunch of disenchanted liberals(of the very left wing variety i understand).
The foreign policy just happens to go along with the american oil cartels plans - sothey get the full go ahead from bush and oil friends for that.

This is the reality of it all sadly, even when you get past all the typical 'thats not a real neo-con thing' etc. smoke screens/lies that are part of the whole neo-con package.

The sooner the republicans get rid of these guys the better for just about eveyone imho.

And no i dont hate america, just the hijack that is ruining its reputation

But after all these painfull truths, i'm sure its time for one of the stubborn defenders of neo-cons to tell me i'm a lefty commie or something like that......oh and i obviously eat american babies for breakfast

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by child of Thor
i dont care if you claim to be a cuddly neo-con,

Imran is the neo-con. I'm the realist and have never represented myself as a neo-con. I stopped reading after the insult.

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Imran is the neo-con. I'm the realist and have never represented myself as a neo-con. I stopped reading after the insult.

well i wasnt meaning this specificaly about you, its just something many neo-cons do(calim to be 'cuddly'). And sorry to offend you. But DinoDoc, really you cant - shouldn't hide your head in the sand over these issues just because they may be disagreable to come to terms with.

Its upto all decent americans to look beyond the usual party politics(which is very steadfast in the usa and here in the uk, often at the expense of democracy) and to ensure our true democracies carry on in good health. Be on the look out for hijacks, such as the many neo-cons in this republican parties halls of power. And from the uk angle, to keep an eye on this kinda thing here.

Truth hurts and smokes screens dont always work

Still the most disturbing thing about this thread is not that we obviously agree to disagree on the level of neo-con threat to world security(thats me over exagerating again ), but the fact that DanS is having a hernia over the ammount needed to spend on Katrina devestation, but didnt so much(even supported if i remember) as bat an eye lid over the cost of the Iraq war. That is disturbing imho.

[Spiffor]

I am surprised that so many people are suprised by Bush's Keynesianism, when he (and Reagan) has done the most amibtious Keynesian policy in the US since Nixon so far, and is merely intending to continue it.

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by child of Thor

maybe you should ask why do i hate neo-cons so much?

My question was not directed to you, but towards the people who asked the same question to anyone opposing the Iraq war.

Now when faced with a war-like domestic problem, the same people refuse to pay the bill. So much for patriotism.

Support the civilians!

[child of Thor]

at Chemical Ollie,

ah ok crossed wires - i'm just so used to people here saying 'why do you hate america' too often i guess(and missing the whole point)

indeed think of the civillians in Katrina and forgo your tax break

while your at it think of the civillians killed in Iraq/Afghanistan too. yes all of them - the ones killed by the extremists too still they wouldn't be there if the whole thing didn't happen as it did?

[Imran Siddiqui]

DD, don't even bother. There are people out there that will NEVER realize that neo-conservativism is an IR policy and want to keep the bogeyman around as long as possible for their own means.

Best to move on.

Hell, I'd think me, OBVIOUSLY not a Bush fan, but a neo-conservative nonetheless, should be enough, but...

[Ted Striker]

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[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
It really is tiresome having to explain that Neo-conservatism is an IR school of thought without a domestic agenda. Seriously, anytime someone does something that you people dislike you claim that Neo-cons are behind it. It's somewhat disturbing to see that level of paranoia and fear.

Sure, because neocons don't happen to have opinions about domestic policies too.

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Damn Trotskyites! Nothing but drink-soaked popinjays, they are!

It's Trotskyist, thank you very much.

We're Troskyists, not Troskyites, cuz we're socialists, not socialites!

And I'm not drink soaked, nor a popinjay.

Damn. I wrote Trotskist at first, but changed it to Trotskyite for fear of being mocked. Lot of good that did me. My apologies...

[Mr. Harley]

Uh Dinodoc - "Starve the beast" is completely a domestic policy. Are you claiming that is not a policy of what is often identified as Neocons, or the New Conservatives. BTW Imran, from your posts I do tend to cosider you conservative, but not Neocon. What do you define Neconservative as, and is it related to that white paper I mentioned which I still need to track down? I just loathe the idea of reading the damn thing, I believe it's something like 80 pages long.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Spiffor
I am surprised that so many people are suprised by Bush's Keynesianism, when he (and Reagan) has done the most amibtious Keynesian policy in the US since Nixon so far, and is merely intending to continue it.

I don't get how you reached that conclusion, when Reagan was clearly folowing Friedman's school of economic thought- as is Bush.