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    Oh dear- I'm a famous novelist, how will I ever cope with the trappings of tawdry fame ?

    I know- I'll bite the hand that 'reads' me...

    Zadie Smith has launched an astonishing attack on her native England, calling it "a disgusting place" and vulgar.

    The novelist, who was placed on the Man Booker award shortlist yesterday, said: "It's the way people look at each other on the train; just general stupidity, madness, vulgarity, stupid TV shows, aspirational arseholes, money everywhere."


    Zadie Smith: 'It's just a disgusting place'
    Her remarks, in an interview given to New York magazine, appeared yesterday at the same time that it was announced that she had made the shortlist for the first time with her third novel, On Beauty.

    Angry at the celebrity treatment she received after publication of her first novel, White Teeth, and refusing almost all interviews here, Smith, 30, left Britain a year ago to study and write at Harvard. She has just returned.

    Her looks, her intelligence - she was educated at Cambridge - and her mixed ethnic background made her an immediate celebrity when she published White Teeth, a humorous account of modern multicultural London, five years ago. It has sold 1.3 million copies.

    Interviewed before she returned, she said: "When I talk about England now I just think of the England that I loved and it's gone. It's just a disgusting place. It's terrifying. Maybe I'm just getting old."



    Yes Zadie, you are getting too old- you sound like T. S. Eliot...

    Complaining about the vulgar is so old-hat :


    He, the young man carbuncular, arrives,
    A small house agent's clerk, with one bold stare,
    One of the low on whom assurance sits
    As a silk hat on a Bradford millionaire.
    T.S. Eliot (1888–1965). The Waste Land. 1922.
    Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

    ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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    "It's the way people look at each other on the train; just general stupidity, madness, vulgarity, stupid TV shows, aspirational arseholes, money everywhere."

    Sounds like London to me.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Maquiladora
      "It's the way people look at each other on the train; just general stupidity, madness, vulgarity, stupid TV shows, aspirational arseholes, money everywhere."

      Sounds like London to me.
      Or Glasgow, Manchester or Newcastle.


      I fail to see what's necessarily wrong with vulgarity...

      Baudelaire argued in favor of artificiality, stating that vice is natural in that it is selfish, while virtue is artificial because we must restrain our natural impulses in order to be good. The snobbish aesthete, the dandy, was for Baudelaire the ultimate hero and the best proof of an absolutely purposeless existence. He is a gentleman who never becomes vulgar and always preserves the cool smile of the stoic.
      at least it lets people know you're alive...
      Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

      ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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      • #4
        Typical 'fashionable' writer. Full of sh1t!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by molly bloom

          Or Glasgow, Manchester or Newcastle.
          Most of them flock to London, thankfully.
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          • #6
            Translation - England is full of people who aren't capable of understanding what I have written and appreciating my work.

            Reality - England is full of people who have either never heard of the Booker prize or don't care who wins it.

            Anyway, England has been just what she is complaining of for more than 30 years so what does she know.
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            • #7
              I fail to see what's necessarily wrong with vulgarity...


              it all makes sense when you remind yourself what this word really means - a classist slur.
              urgh.NSFW

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Maquiladora


                Most of them flock to London, thankfully.

                Tedious provincialism for provincialism's sake- as unappetising a trait as cosmopolitan snobbery.
                Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                • #9
                  And she moved to America? Oh the irony
                  Speaking of Erith:

                  "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                  • #10
                    I have a friend who knew her at Cambridge, where she was no doubt on a scholarship, only doing research because she's so real, and her roots are with the common people.

                    I have yet to notice the front page articles in which she explains away changing her name from plain old Sadie in an attempt to appeal to niche markets.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by duke o' york


                      I have yet to notice the front page articles in which she explains away changing her name from plain old Sadie in an attempt to appeal to niche markets.

                      'Sadie' is a bit prole, innit ?

                      'Zadie' is zesty, zingy, zappy- not squalid, sweaty and sappy.

                      Perhaps she could be persuaded to change her name to Monica Ali, and that way we could all read a better novel anyway.


                      I seem to recall someone I knew coming back from her first term at Oxford and addressing all in her newly acquired tones- she ended here sentences with 'Yah?', which provoked me ask, if in fact as well as studying mathematics, she'd also become German at university.
                      Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                      ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                      • #12
                        Gee, we used to send writers over to England with similar complaints about us.
                        "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
                          Gee, we used to send writers over to England with similar complaints about us.

                          Then T.S. Eliot started making the same cracks about nouveau riche Bradford millionaires and the squalor of modern urban life in London.

                          Not to mention his 'fashionable' anti-semitism and right wing tendencies.

                          If there's one thing worse than a 'Little Englander', it's a foreign 'Little Englander'.
                          Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                          ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                          • #14
                            so are the ladys books any good? my curiosity is piqued
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lord of the mark
                              so are the ladys books any good? my curiosity is piqued
                              God knows. The Daily Mail types seem to like her though, so probably not.

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