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    Karl Marx & Godwin's Law

    I was watching Real Time with Bill Maher last Friday night. George Carlin was talking with James K. Glassman about how class in America was one of the problems with the response to hurricane Katrina. Glassman then said to Carlin, "What? Am I talking to Karl Marx?" Carlin made a disgusted face and started to get pissed.

    Is their a corollary to Godwin's Law? If you call someone Karl Marx in an argument about class, have you lost automatically? Can't we have a discussion about class in America without being labeled a communist?
    "In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
    —Orson Welles as Harry Lime
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    Who are you, Rosa Luxemburg!?
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    • #3
      I'd take this to a new level - are the ramifications of Godwin's Law a good thing or a bad thing?

      I mean all of us would probably enjoy to enforce it for the Nazi part. Why not here? hypocrisy?

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      • #4
        Why did Bill Maher bring George Carlin into a public conversaation of this type? What qualifications does George Carlin have?

        George could have blamed it on race - then Glassman could have asked him if he was Malcolm X.
        "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
          Why did Bill Maher bring George Carlin into a public conversaation of this type?
          Bill Maher always brings one comedian and usually tries to get a least one right wing guest. It seems to be tough for him to do so though. Some weeks, there's nobody from the right pov.

          The conversation just nose dived after Glassman called him Karl Marx. Carlin started raising his voice and Glassman did the same. It was stupid for a moment.

          Originally posted by Ecthy
          I'd take this to a new level - are the ramifications of Godwin's Law a good thing or a bad thing?
          I had a thread on that a few weeks ago. I don't think Godwin's Law is a good thing, but some people abuse the fascist angle. Glassman in this case definitely killed the dialogue immediately when he called Carlin "Karl Marx." The reference served no purpose other than to antagonize him.

          We need a name for a law for when people invoke the communists stupidly.
          "In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
          —Orson Welles as Harry Lime

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Seeker
            Who are you, Rosa Luxemburg!?
            Went right over my head. I had to google her.
            "In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
            —Orson Welles as Harry Lime

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            • #7
              Re: Karl Marx & Godwin's Law

              Originally posted by MosesPresley
              Is their a corollary to Godwin's Law?
              I'd say more of an extension or amendment.

              Originally posted by MosesPresley
              If you call someone Karl Marx in an argument about class, have you lost automatically? Can't we have a discussion about class in America without being labeled a communist?
              This has to do with the popular misconception that a communist is some sort of left wing counterpart of a nazi. Which is completely untrue of course.

              I reckon you can counter by calling the other side "McCarthyist" or something like that.
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              • #8
                The real question is: if acknowledging the existence of class as an aspect of society makes you Karl Marx, what does pretending that class doesn't even exist make you? Marie Antoinette?

                You know, "Who am I talking to here? Marie Antoinette?" is actually pretty catchy...
                "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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                • #9
                  Carlin is an anarchist, so being called a commie would be an insult to him.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                    Carlin is an anarchist, so being called a commie would be an insult to him.
                    Carlin also has a brain, so being told that class had nothing to do with what happened in New Orleans would be an insult to him.
                    "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly


                      Carlin also has a brain, so being told that class had nothing to do with what happened in New Orleans would be an insult to him.
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly


                        Carlin also has a brain, so being told that class had nothing to do with what happened in New Orleans would be an insult to him.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly


                          Carlin also has a brain, so being told that class had nothing to do with what happened in New Orleans would be an insult to him.
                          Yea kind of, but Carlin would get his ass kicked around here even so. Maher's show has always sucked because it never produces good comedy or good political discussion. It takes the worst qualities of the political yelling shows a does a reduction with them the concentrate the distaste I have for them.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Karl Marx & Godwin's Law

                            Originally posted by MosesPresley
                            Can't we have a discussion about class in America without being labeled a communist?
                            No

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MosesPresley


                              Went right over my head. I had to google her.
                              Young people.
                              "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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