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Let the Good Times Roll: 1 Million More Americans in Poverty in 2004

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  • #16
    What I want to know is this: a man is in the hospital and needs expensive surgery to survive. He doesn't have the funds to pay for it. What do they do with him? Throw him out? Let him die on the bed?

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    • #17
      They get the cheapest care necessary to keep them alive. ER's don't turn down anyone. Of course, if you need a new organ and don't have insurance or have cancer, you're going to die.

      The thing is, if there are multiple hospitals in the area, the for-profit ones will refuse to take them, and you'll end up going to the county or public hospital. A friend I used to know lied to the emergency medical team at the accident so they would take him to a good hospital, cuz he didn't want his leg cut off.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #18
        My mother was a nurse, and had to make the decision to leave my father and go on Medicaid with my burned sister (which would have probably killed her with substandard treatment) or stay with my father and hope she could keep his worst excesses from damaging his children too badly. She was almost right, my sister survived (I got a count from her a couple of months ago - eighty total operations in 37 years) and my brother is f*cked up mentally for life. I hope all these people claiming the current system works get to spend a couple of millenia in hell with my father in charge when they die.
        The worst form of insubordination is being right - Keith D., marine veteran. A dictator will starve to the last civilian - self-quoted
        And on the eigth day, God realized it was Monday, and created caffeine. And behold, it was very good. - self-quoted
        Klaatu: I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it.
        Mr. Harley: I'm afraid my people haven't. I'm very sorry… I wish it were otherwise.

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        • #19
          But...but...but I'm sure there are more millionaires than there were last year, too. So it all balances out!
          Tutto nel mondo è burla

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          • #20
            Because the population is growing - there are more of everything. It is more instructive to look at the rates. In this case, we can see that the overall pverty rate increased from 12.5% to 12.7%. Slicing and dicing these numbers further, the pverty rate dropped for only 2 groups: Asians and people 65 and older.

            Thus, Asians rule. The rest of you drool. Also, we should probably cut a bit on SS and Medicare and redirect that money to the rest of the population.
            “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

            ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Verto
              People who are in poverty are there because of a choice they made to not work.
              Most of them work
              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
              - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Kidicious


                Most of them work
                I can't believe you even bothered to respond to that

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                • #23
                  The poverty rate is always a trailing indicator at the beginning of an economic expansion...
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Verto
                    I can't believe you even bothered to respond to that
                    This is Kid.

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                    • #25
                      Is poverty measured by income alone? Or wealth aswell?

                      I remember seeing an article on the bbc that said that over 50% of people deemed to be in poverty in the UK were homeowners, many with no mortgage (primarily pensioners). Hence they appeared to be in poverty on the grounds that their income was less than half the national average income - this despite having sizeable asset worth of which to live.
                      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                      • #26
                        Income alone.

                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Oncle Boris
                          Don't worry, thanks to Katrina the non-insured population has diminished.
                          Does insurance cover "acts of God" anyway? And if it does, why is Mr Bush praying? Isn't he thankful that God acted?
                          So get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
                          Be kind to the nerdiest guy in school. He will be your boss when you've grown up!

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by DanS
                            The poverty rate is always a trailing indicator at the beginning of an economic expansion...


                            Dude, don't even try this time!

                            Of course, it's just been trailing for 4 years in a row!

                            DanS, they tried that exact same excuse LAST YEAR when the poverty rate also expanded, both in percentage AND in sheer numbers.

                            So the population growth excuse doesn't work either. The numbers are up. The percentage is up. This same trend has gone on for 4 years in a row.

                            What is the one common denominator in those 4 years? Well, I'll let you guys come up with that one.


                            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Ted Striker


                              Dude, don't even try this time!

                              Of course, it's just been trailing for 4 years in a row!

                              DanS, they tried that exact same excuse LAST YEAR when the poverty rate also expanded, both in percentage AND in sheer numbers.

                              So the population growth excuse doesn't work either. The numbers are up. The percentage is up. This same trend has gone on for 4 years in a row.

                              What is the one common denominator in those 4 years? Well, I'll let you guys come up with that one.
                              QFT
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                              There are reasons why I believe mankind should live in cities and let nature reclaim all the villages with the exception of a few we keep on display as horrific reminders of rural life.-Starchild
                              Meat eating and the dominance and force projected over animals that is acompanies it is a gateway or parallel to other prejudiced beliefs such as classism, misogyny, and even racism. -General Ludd

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                              • #30
                                It was 4 years in a row last business cycle too. This dog won't hunt.
                                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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