Let the Good Times Roll: 1 Million More Americans in Poverty in 2004

[Ted Striker]

When did I ever say that?

You're setting up a strawman.

[Pekka]

I won't lose that comparison, never.

Saras, I believe pointed out that poor in other places don't compare to your people under poverty line. THAT doesn't mean somehow that the ones homeless and with absolutely no money are somehow richer than the people in same condition outside States.

I just think you got fired up because I called Bronx ***** sissy place, which it is compared to many other places. Walk in the park COMPARED. But not walk in the park and you can get killed there too so.. not good place.

Stop drawing dread here G

[Az]

Toughness:
Bronx <<< Mogadishu

[Ted Striker]

Guys start your own thread if you want to have length contests comparing "tough" areas.

Regarding penis length I have you all beat so there is not much point in even trying.

[Pekka]

Don't diss Bronx AZ! YOu'll DIE THERE and your sorry little soft white ass will be EATEN ALIVE!

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Re: ZOMG get a job you bums!

Originally posted by Ted Striker
There are plenty of communities like this in every big city in the US. Skid Row in LA is absolutley unreal, it borders on the surreal. You talk about 3rd world conditions well this is it.



http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...1797050.column

With what that person said who do you folks think get to take care of the guys being brought in to the hospital. I have seen it first hand Homeless being brought in with maggots growing in their legs hell the maggots believe it or not are doing the person a favor keeping him a live by eating away the rotting tissue. I have seen children brought in in the same condition cause their parents have been laid off and are on the streets, its a serious issue cause you not only have the adults on the streets you have their children as well I dont see that anyone here is asking you cyinics for sympathy but rather to not disconcern the accounts that are growing into larger problems

[Ted Striker]

Word up I went to Helsinki and got a speeding ticket yo but I told that cop I wasn't going to mail it in I was going to pay the fine by Internet!!!

Man he got clowned!!!

[Pekka]

Ted, just pointing out that Saras is right. Doesn't mean the actualyl really really poor in the whole world poor standard in the US aren't poor, they have it just as bad as the rest. But as for the 'poor', that was, what I believe Saras was talking about, and he's right and you're wrong. And you wanted to prove the toughness of Bronx, and while it is tough, you're still wrong it being THE place.

So in short, Saras and I win. And my penis is 5 inch.. FROM THE GROUND!

[Ted Striker]

Re: Re: ZOMG get a job you bums!

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski

With what that person said who do you folks think get to take care of the guys being brought in to the hospital. I have seen it first hand Homeless being brought in with maggots growing in their legs hell the maggots believe it or not are doing the person a favor keeping him a live by eating away the rotting tissue. I have seen children brought in in the same condition cause their parents have been laid off and are on the streets, its a serious issue cause you not only have the adults on the streets you have their children as well I dont see that anyone here is asking you cyinics for sympathy but rather to not disconcern the accounts that are growing into larger problems

Yeah that's really sad when there are kids involved. That article talked about how this lady gave birth right on the sidewalk.

I recently read an article about maggots! Like you said apparently the maggots are actually a life saver because they eat infected tissue. Back in the day docs used maggots to treat wounds but then antibiotics became the choice to treat infection.

But then I hear the maggots are actually faster and more effective than antibiotics because they go right to the tissue and directly remove it.

[Az]

Don't diss Bronx AZ! YOu'll DIE THERE and your sorry little soft white ass will be EATEN ALIVE!

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Pekka
Ted, just pointing out that Saras is right. Doesn't mean the actualyl really really poor in the whole world poor standard in the US aren't poor, they have it just as bad as the rest. But as for the 'poor', that was, what I believe Saras was talking about, and he's right and you're wrong. And you wanted to prove the toughness of Bronx, and while it is tough, you're still wrong it being THE place.

No, you just put opinions into my mouth that I never wrote, and then argued against them, that's not being honest.

1) I never claimed that the poor in the US were somehow "worse" than anyone else

2) I never claimed that the Bronx was THE place either, you just brought in that example out of nowhere.

So really what you just did was setting up a strawman and then argued against it.

[Patroklos]

is both absolute and relative, but conservatives only want to look at relative poverty in America

It is the exact opposite. Conservatives are opposed to including whole groups of people as "impoverished" when they are completely capable of providing for most of their needs, while perhaps not at the level of comfort they want.

If you have a home, can feed your kids, and can aford basic health care you are not "poor." But by including millions of people who are just not middle class, you dilute all the money and programs to help out the poor, and the ones who really need it get a fraction that usually is not enough to accomplish anything meaningful. This is perhaps not the reason conservatives don't like aritficialy inflating the number of poor, but it sure as hell is an effect.

The left is all about including everyone they can below the poverty line, for political and ideological reasons. If they are not poor you can't crusade for them, and god forbid the left be seen as just another party controled by rich people, for rich people (which they are).

Just so we are clear Che, the relative poor number is far greater than the actually poor. Why would conservatives prefer a number that inflates the number of poor (artificially or not).

[Pekka]

No those weren't your particular arguments but I used Bronx as an example and you took that and went with it so I had to defend against that one.

You are at least 50% to blame on this or more. I am less guilty here. If you admit this, we can go on and think of it as miscommunication. If you deny this, then you are 100% guilty now and forever.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Comparing poor to poor is a waste of time. I dont care where they are located in the world, they are still poor and living in sub human conditions. They are, once again I say this, not doing it by first choice. They have no choices at the time. And just for the record, i have seen many charites advertised on tv to help the kids out of this country but not once have i seen one to deal with the kids within in our own borders. so to keep arguing who is in more dire straits is a moot point at this time.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
Comparing poor to poor is a waste of time. I dont care where they are located in the world, they are still poor and living in sub human conditions. They are, once again I say this, not doing it by first choice. They have no choices at the time. And just for the record, i have seen many charites advertised on tv to help the kids out of this country but not once have i seen one to deal with the kids within in our own borders. so to keep arguing who is in more dire straits is a moot point at this time.

Mrs T ownz