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    US forces should take a lesson from the Persian kings

    Simon Tisdall
    Wednesday September 7, 2005
    The Guardian


    Present-day US fears about an Iranian-dominated super-state embracing southern Iraq and the Gulf have a basis in historical fact, according to an exhibition charting the exploits of Cyrus the Great, founder of the Persian empire, which opens at the British Museum on Friday.
    Cyrus and his successors, Xerxes and Darius, created the world's first superpower in 550BC, ruling territories from central Asia and the Indus valley to Arabia and north Africa. But the Persian kings appear to have had better luck in Iraq than President George Bush has had.

    When Persian forces overran Babylonia in 539BC, the inhabitants surrendered peacefully. According to contemporary accounts, Cyrus was greeted as a liberator because of his just policies - and tough attitude to terrorists.
    "When I entered Babylon I did not allow anyone to terrorise the land," a text known as the Cyrus Cylinder quotes him as saying. "I strove for peace in Babylon and all other sacred cities. I put an end to the inhabitants' misfortune."

    John Curtis, the curator of the exhibition, Forgotten Empire: the World of Ancient Persia, said: "Cyrus was no despot, more an enlightened autocrat. He was surprisingly tolerant. He made no attempt to establish a state religion. He is said to have freed the Jews from captivity, allowing them to return to Jerusalem."

    There are other historical echoes for modern-day empires to ponder. Even the poorest subject had the right to a royal audience, Mr Curtis said. The Persians developed an early form of federalism, governing through client rulers and provincial governors, known as satraps. Darius built a canal linking the Nile to the Red Sea - a forerunner of the Suez canal; introduced the first dollar-like global currency, the darik, and tax and communications systems; and created an empire-wide postal service whose "we always deliver" motto and emblem were supposedly imitated more than 2,000 years later by the US Mail and Pony Express.

    Technologically, the Persian military machine was state of the art. Its elite troops were known as the Immortals, equivalent to US special forces. And pre-emptive wars and regime change were all in a day's work for the great kings.

    The pre-Islamic Achaemenid dynasty was toppled by Alexander the Great, who burned the great palaces of Persepolis, some of whose surviving artefacts are on show for the first time at the British Museum. But its influence was long-lasting, Mr Curtis said. Christianity, Judaism and Islam were all influenced to a discernible extent by the original Zoroastrian concept, adopted by Mr Bush's "war on terror", of perpetual struggle between good and evil.

    Despite the aspersions of Greek historians, the Persians' political, administrative, cultural and artistic legacy formed "a linear link" via the Greeks and Romans to subsequent European and north American civilisation, he added.

    "It was very advanced, very sophisticated, progressive and tolerant, although not democratic," Mr Curtis said. "It was the largest empire at that time."

    The organisers say the exhibition "challenges the myths that have portrayed the Persians as despotic and ruthless people" and aims to promote greater understanding of the Middle East, where modern Iran is seen, at least in the west, as a potential threat.

    An Iranian diplomat admitted that Tehran's image, tarnished by anti-western ayatollahs, US hostility and nuclear tensions which may climax later this month, could be better.

    "There is a lot of ignorance about Iran," the diplomat said. "We hope that the exhibition will give a different perspective."

  • #2
    I'm gonna check this exhibition out. Maybe I'll see an Immortal!

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    • #3
      Sorry - didn't post the URL for the article :

      Simon Tisdall: Present-day US fears about an Iranian-dominated super-state embracing southern Iraq and the Gulf have a basis in historical fact, according to an exhibition charting the exploits of Cyrus the Great, founder of the Persian empire, which opens at the British Museum on Friday.

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      • #4
        What exactly is the point of this article?
        Blah

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        • #5
          Iraq has been an Iranian dependency for much of its history. Point?
          Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

          It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
          The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BeBro
            What exactly is the point of this article?

            It's a tongue in cheek linkage of the current state of affairs in the Middle and Near East with ancient empires and a long-awaited exhibition of treasures from Persepolis at the British Museum.


            They're going to get the Cyrus cylinder on loan, apparently.




            Iraq has been an Iranian dependency for much of its history.
            Last Conformist


            Difficult, since 'Iraq' is a post-WWI creation.


            Parts of the state now called Iraq have been parcelled up between Safavids, Ottomans, Abbasids, Ummayyads, Sassanids, Babylonians, Medes, over the centuries- accounting for its stunning archaeological treasures.
            Last edited by molly bloom; September 7, 2005, 10:40.
            Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

            ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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            • #7
              monkspider, is that you?
              urgh.NSFW

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cort Haus
                I'm gonna check this exhibition out. Maybe I'll see an Immortal!
                They were shown to be very mortal as they were slaughtered by spartan hoplites at the thermopyles
                (at least until the persians discovered a way around the spartan fortifications)
                Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                • #9
                  @molly bloom: As you perfectly well know, I meant Iraq as a geographical area.
                  Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                  It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                  The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                  • #10
                    He just made that post because it opened to him an opportunity to make a comment about the artfulness of a region.

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                    • #11
                      Ahem.. do you actually know what happened to the Persian Kingdom after Cyrus died?






                      psst! Invasions of Greece by Darius (1st) and Xerxes (2nd) and all that stuff- I don´t think so
                      I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

                      Asher on molly bloom

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Last Conformist
                        @molly bloom: As you perfectly well know, I meant Iraq as a geographical area.

                        I know nothing of the sort- your mind is a closed book to me, its secrets cached and concealed, wrapped within an enigma, inside a puzzle, secreted within a mystery.

                        He just made that post because it opened to him an opportunity to make a comment about the artfulness of a region.
                        Ecthy


                        Partly true- I had a friend who studied the Assyrians at university and who went on archaeological digs to Iraq, pre Gulf War I.


                        Imagine his chagrin when they discovered an ancient grave of a Jewish woman, full of gold grave goods, about 11 lbs weight in all, in Iraq, not long after his last trip there.


                        That and I've been studying the Sassanids and Safavids recently.


                        Persia
                        Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                        ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                        • #13
                          ’my son ask for thyself another
                          Kingdom for that wich I leave
                          Is too small for thee’
                          (king philip of macedonia - 339 b.c.)

                          Near to the east
                          In a part of ancient greece
                          In an ancient land called macedonia
                          Was born a son
                          To philip of macedon
                          The legend his name was alexander

                          At the age of nineteen
                          He became the macedon king
                          And he swore to free all of asia minor
                          By the aegian sea
                          In 334 b.c.
                          He utterly beat the armies of persia

                          Alexander the great
                          His name struck fear into hearts of men
                          Alexander the great
                          Became a legend ’mongst mortal men

                          King darius the third
                          Defeated fled persia
                          The scythians fell by the river of jaxartes
                          Then egypt fell to the macedon king as well
                          And he founded the city called alexandria

                          By the tigris river
                          He met king darius again
                          And crushed him again at the battle of arbela
                          Entering babylon
                          And susa treasures he found
                          Took persepolis the capital of persia

                          Alexander the great
                          His name struck fear into hearts of men
                          Alexander the great
                          Became a God ’mongst mortal men

                          A phrygian king had bound a chariot yoke
                          And alexander cut the ’gordian knot’
                          And the legend said that who untied the knot
                          He would become the master of asia

                          Hellenism he spread far and wide
                          The macedonian learned mind
                          Their culture was a western way of life
                          He paved the way for christianity

                          Marching on marching on

                          The battle weary marching side by side
                          Alexander’s army line by line
                          They wouldn’t follow him to india
                          Tired of the combat, pain and the glory

                          Alexander the great
                          His name struck fear into hearts of men
                          Alexander the great
                          He died of fever in babylon


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                          • #14
                            Greek pop musicians with things on their belt that look like genitalia the first instant you look at them

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                            • #15
                              Are you completely uncivilized?

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